Important Article by Gabrielle Glaser about Twelve Steps to Danger: How Alcoholics Anonymous Can Be a Playground for Violence-Prone Members
OK Monica you are not playing the strongest card against AA,people do get mugged in grocery stores and bars and all those other places they even get hit upon in church,ministers and priests take advantage of there power over children,so the dynamics in that regard have some similarities ,I use to hear that argument from AA people all the time,when I would bring up the Karla Brada case,the AA people”s argument was always, ,that could have happened in a church,yes it could, and that has happened in a church, however here is the argument you need to make,the priest or minister or bar owner or grocery store owner did not go to a judge and say send the offender to my church or my bar or my grocery,AA goes to the judges and says mandate the offender to AA and we will monitor there attendance,it is written in the AA pamphlet on working with the courts that any AA member may go to a judges and tell him to mandate offenders to AA..I have often wondered if the Brada attorny played that card and if not why?
,I have heard you touch on it but the strongest argument is the fact that it is written in the AA doctrine to approach the judges therefor initiating and enabling the offender,therefor AA plays a role in any crime committed against anyone attending AA,if there is one argument that will take AA down I believe that is it,there in lies the liability,it would likely take some sort of class action lawsuit ,maybe some up and coming young attorney to organize it,I have spoken to a few judges,but they wont admitt any wrong doing because the jails are full and they just want to get re elected by showing they are working with AA to curb drug and alcohal abuse.
Monica “- Thank you for pointing this out. I have already seen this but your specific point of view is helpful in Legal terms. Thank you. I have written this rebuttle so many times but it does take simplifying it and tossing it back in the perfect layer of words. Connecting each dot to dot – but as you say. ” from AA to the courts ” not blaming the courts. “
A jury found a Newbury Park man guilty of sexually assaulting two women he met through Alcoholics Anonymous programs.
After about a two-week trial in Ventura County Superior Court, jurors on Thursday voted unanimously and found William Beliveau, 64, guilty of one felony count of sexual penetration of an adult woman while she was intoxicated, said Senior Deputy District Attorney Erik Nasarenko.
Jurors also found Beliveau guilty of one felony count of sexual penetration of an adult woman while she was asleep or unconscious. The Newbury Park man could face a maximum of 10 years in state prison when he returns to court for sentencing on Aug. 24, Nasarenko said.
Tampa police: Fugitive wanted in slaying of nurse captured in Louisiana
They got their wish just hours after the warrant was issued Thursday: Keith Earl Davis, 43, was captured in Sulphur, La., near the Texas border, police said that evening. Tampa detectives were sent to Louisiana to bring Davis back to Hillsborough County to stand trial.
Police said forensic evidence “implicates” Davis in the death of McGoff. Davis faces charges of first-degree murder, robbery with a weapon and grand theft. Police did not release any other details about Davis’ capture, including where he was caught or how.
McGoff, 53, was last seen alive on Sunday. He was found dead in his Wellswood home Monday evening after his co-workers at LifePath Hospice called police, concerned that the longtime nurse hadn’t shown up for work.
McGoff’s well-kept home at 4928 Chariton Ave. appeared to have been ransacked and his black 2013 Hyundai Sonata was missing, police said. They believe Davis took McGoff’s belongings before driving out of state in the car, which has Florida tag 113VFT.
A man matching Davis’ description was also seen driving McGoff’s car in north Florida and Louisiana, police said.
McGoff lived in his home for about a decade and was close to his neighbors, none of whom said they noticed anything strange the night he died. His two roommates recently moved out, but it wasn’t unusual for McGoff to open his doors and his wallet to people in need of a place to stay, said longtime friend Lisa Frederick. No friends or family members knew of any connection to Davis, but police said McGoff likely knew his attacker.
Apart from his job, frequent Alcoholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous meetings were McGoff’s “life focus,” said nephew Thomas Patterson, 38. McGoff recently celebrated his 10th year sober and was dedicated to sponsoring others in the programs, sometimes as many as six to eight people at a time.
“He had numerous people live at his house and he would give them money and feed them and clothe them,” Patterson said. “Unfortunately, through that program they come and go. It’s sad and it’s a brush with reality when you have to deal with that and know going in that you can do everything you can to pull people up and out, but you can’t make anyone do something they just don’t want to do.”
McGoff’s family said they were told by police that Davis’ family is cooperating with detectives. As they wait for answers, friends and family are “trying to remember Leslie and stay strong, have courage and go forward,” Patterson said.
Davis has been arrested 15 times in Florida on charges that include aggravated battery and grand theft, state records show. He has served four stints in state prison and was last released on his birthday in December 2015 after serving four years of a five-year sentence for dealing in stolen property.
This guy will be sitting next to you in a meeting and holding your hand.
By Norman Miller
Daily News Staff
Posted May. 16, 2016 at 8:08 PM
FRAMINGHAM – A Framingham man tried to force himself into an Edmands Road apartment on Sunday, threatening to kill the terrified residents as they clutched kitchen knives for protection, a prosecutor said Monday in Framingham District Court.
Police arrested Christopher Hagins, 36, at the Edmands House at 15 Edmands Road at 12:21 a.m., prosecutor Megan Fitzgerald said during Hagins’ arraignment.
The two tenants told police they were in their apartment when someone tried to force open the door. They said they armed themselves with kitchen knives in case he got in, and held the door shut until police arrived.
As Hagins tried to break down the door he screamed, “I’ll kill you. I know you,” Fitzgerald said.
When police arrived, they found Hagins punching and kicking the door. He refused to answer questions and when they tried to take him into custody, he struggled and appeared to be under the influence of alcohol or narcotics, the prosecutor said.
“When the officers spoke to the residents, they were both visibly shaking and crying,” Fitzgerald said. Hagins was a complete stranger, the residents told police.
One of tenants said she had seen Hagins late Saturday as she worked at a nearby gas station. According to a police report, Hagins acted bizarrely while buying cigarettes.
“He was saying, ‘Do we have a problem here … Oh, I definitely know you have a problem,’” Hagins was quoted as saying.
Hagins did not tell police why he was trying to get into the apartment. He had recently moved into the building.
Police charged Hagins with attempted burglary, threatening to commit a crime (murder), disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace and resisting arrest.
Hagins also had a Natick District Court warrant for driving under the influence of liquor and a Dedham District Court warrant that charged him with driving under the influence of liquor, driving to endanger, resisting arrest and speeding.
Fitzgerald asked Judge Jennifer Stark to hold Hagins on $1,000 bail and to order him to stay away from the alleged victims and to undergo random screenings for alcohol.
Probation officer Dave DiGiorgio also asked Stark to hold Hagins without bail, pending a probation violation hearing. He said he is going to recommend sending Hagins to jail. Hagins is on probation for drunken driving.
“It’s a scary police report,” said DiGiorgio. “I think he’s dangerous.”
Hagins’ lawyer, Charles Hughes, asked for his client’s release. He said Hagins has a minimal record, and is willing to cooperate with the rest of the conditions.
Stark ordered Hagins held without bail for the probation violation hearing and set $500 bail on the new case. She also ordered Hagins to drink no alcohol, be subject random alcohol tests and attend two Alcoholics Anonymous meetings a week. Judge Stark ordered Hagins to stay away from the alleged victims whom she said “are now terrified of you.”
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Here is it folks. A slippery slope- I hope there are some politicians and judges who see how bad this really is. Honestly – I need a break. AA is just too big , too infested, too powerful- too HOLLYWOOD>..https://www.sobernation.com/washington-state-senate-bill-provides-12-step-sponsors-freedom-from-civil-court-testimony/https://www.sobernation.com/washington-state-senate-bill-provides-12-step-sponsors-freedom-from-civil-court-testimony/https://www.sobernation.com/washington-state-senate-bill-provides-12-step-sponsors-freedom-from-civil-court-testimony/
Please call your congressman , your councilpersons, your assembly man /woman and The Chief Justice of your State Supreme Courts, to discuss your bad experience and ask them to stop the practice of sending everyone to AA , always suggest the other option including The Sinclair Method using Naltrexone and Vivitrol for starters.
We want to begin a new dialogue about how to expose the coercion of US citizens who get DUI’s, and told they must go to AA meetings, which is a violation of their First Amendment Rights. We want to stop AA from being in our Courts and educate people about other free options like SMART RECOVERY, Moderation, SOS, Women for Sobriety and HAMS Harm Reduction and the Use of Naltrexone etc.
We want AA out of The FAA and extorting Pilots to go to AA meetings, to AA rehabs to the tune of 40K a month because they have money, and forcing them to spend thousands of dollars to go to an AA Psychiatrist. Yes an AA member who is a psychiatrist and playing the AA game and making alot of money doing it.
We want to stop The Board of Nursing from sending Nurses to AA for 5 years.
We want AA members, or those coerced there to know that when they are sexually harassed in an AA meeting, that they have rights and they can do something about it.
There have been similar organizations that have gotten away with sexual assault crimes and preying on children for hundreds of years, that have since been attacked, sued and forced to change . These organizations were once untouchable. The Catholic Church and The Boy Scouts have helped many, yet still they needed to address sex offenders and deviants from using their organization for easy pickings. It was their Insurance carriers , not their caring about the protection of children that forced them to do this.
With the growth of the internet and a few powerful blogs like Orange Papers and Stinkin- Thinkin, things began to change in regards to AA and secrecy.
In 2008 a General Service Board member , Paul C. wrote a 7 page letter http://stinkin-thinkin.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/ATTACHMENT_TO_TOPIC_002-PREDATORS.doc.pdf to the General Service Board of Alcoholics Anonymous. They made him wait one year to read it to them. Then something happened that shocked not only Paul, but a couple of Board members … one that I interviewed for The 13th Step. They were shocked when the board asked the AA member team of paid employees to go to the AA US fellowship and ask them how they feel about such things.
They told the Board ” That’s not our job! ” The men that I knew who were inside for that meeting told me that after my 8 page letter arrived in October of 2009 they, the AA General Service Board voted to do nothing…. One man was in AA for 30 + years. These are really good men who were sickened by what they saw going in in NY AA Main Headquarters…these men who were on the board decided to leave AA .
All across America, including Los Angeles, Ohio, Fort Collins, Louisville , Kentucky, Bellingham ,Washington, I visited AA meetings with women who were harmed and we saw a pattern. Meetings once filled to capacity over with 300 now had 30. Meetings once filled with 110 pp, on a Friday night , now had 10.
With one click into Google a person can type, IS AA DANGEROUS. or Sexual Predators in AA.
Gabrielle Glasers New York Times Bestseller, HER BEST KEPT SECRET http://gabrielleglaser.com/
and Lance Dodes book The SOBER TRUTH http://www.lancedodes.com/ also came out in the summer of 2012. Gabrielle’s piece in THE ATLANTIC had millions of reads and thousands of comments. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/04/the-irrationality-of-alcoholics-anonymous/386255/
Most journalists I spoke to at first had no idea that AA was not run by a trained social worker or therapist. I was shocked by their idea that it was. I knew what AA was and what it wasn’t.
Then CBS 48 Hours aired. Boy did the shit storm happen on CBS 48 Hours FACEBOOK Page- Some AA members calling Maureen Maher all kinds of vicious names and comments that even shocked some of us. They went crazy calling Karla Brada parents names saying they were looking for Big bucks with their Law Suit against AA, which we know is not true. EVEN Marianne Williamson attacked Gabrielle Glaser on her FACEBOOK page when Gabrielle was on MSNBC. She was far from “spiritual” in her remarks.
If you are leaving AA, NA, or if you have left and have been harmed in any way, I would like to make a suggestion. Write your story of how and what happened in the shortest form you can do. Think about anyone who is a professional in your town, be it a Therapist, Police Officer, Judge, Doctor, Lawyer, Educator, parole Officer. Tell your community how you were harmed.
#2. If what was done to you was a crime. Think about — are you willing to take them to court, finally go to the Police? Do you need help with support to do that? contact us at firstname.lastname@example.org
#3 Were you “just” sexually harassed and are you willing to speak out about it?
#4 Were you financially ripped off by an AA member or your AA sponsor ?
Maybe you just want to make a youtube video about it. Like Jason Bartley has done.
There are many who silently Hate AA. There are many who claim AA saved their lives. We here know what AA really is…and what it isn’t.
2016 – Get ready as we are ready to kick some butt when it comes to extortion, The FAA, the Board of Nursing, DUI and coercion in our courts.
I have been contacted by a VICE reporter, Cecilia— the online magazine not the TV show. Millions of readers are there.
Here we go…please share everywhere. FACE BOOK and twitter too.
“Hi, my name is Cecilia and I’m a reporter with VICE.
Right now, I’m reporting a piece on the culture of sexual predation in AA.
For this article, I am hoping to speak with female AA attendees (current or former) who have been sexually assaulted or preyed on by male AA attendees.
I am more than willing to work with sources to protect their identities. To reach me, please shoot me an e-mail at email@example.com. Thanks so much for your time.”
I feel really blessed and appreciate so much that CBS 48 Hours did a piece on the Karla Brada Murder. With the Help of Gabrielle Glaser and the Producer’s at CBS 48 Hours, they saw that something about the court ordering of violent offenders to AA is a recipe for disaster and in this case…murder.
Join us Saturday Night— Live on Social media and on FACEBOOK for the show ——-CBS 48 Hours. Let your thoughts and opinions on the subject of dangers in AA and it’s culture be known.