What is Deprogramming from Alcoholics Anonymous and do you want help?

Some people find that even after leaving AA- 20 years ago – 6 months ago – 2 years ago – those “readings are still lingering in your head as your head hits the pillow.

What is that all about anyway? Were we really brainwashed ? Many say – “No” that cant be… AA is not a cult. ” Many of us say yes, yes – it is a cult and here is why.

I too wondered why was it that people get sucked in so quickly – I think it is a many pronged factor.

  •  People are very lonely when they arrive ( their family and friends are all angry at them _ hence the LOVE BOMBING.
  • The readings at every meeting and the tone in which they are read are straight up brainwashing technique ( this is the use of all We’s and US not Me and I ) I will post a Through the worm hole episode to make my point.
  •  A person may be in an extremely vulnerable state. Like never before or never again will this the case perhaps.

The things people say in meetings, like : Only WE CAN HELP YOU

You will die or go insane or go to jail if you leave here.

You must come here forever, Only WE Understand you …. we are special —

Loaded language is used in AA and in all cults.  I will continue this thread adding in how I deprogrammed and how you to can be free not only from the meetings – buts its ideology.

Join us on FACEBOOK- Deprogramming from AA or any 12 step group.

There are professionals that can help too. Rachel Bernstein in a great resource-

The OC Register takes on Subculture of Sexual Predators in Alcoholics Anonymous

‘The 13th step’: Alcoholics Anonymous wrestles with subculture of sexual predators

 

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Abram Tuvov had been sober so long that Alcoholics Anonymous members in Palm Springs just assumed he was a good guy.

One female AA member who was new in town felt comfortable enough to go on an afternoon bicycle ride with him, even stopping at his house for waffles. The November 2014 outing ended with Tuvov, 72, raping the woman so viciously that she played dead until it was over.

Tuvov, who lives minutes away from the woman, was convicted, but is out on $150,000 bail while awaiting sentencing.

Jaroslava Mendez with a photo of her daughter, Karla Brada, who was killed by her fiance while both were in Alcoholics Anonymous. Mendez has kept Karla’s bedroom as a memorial to her. Photo by David Crane, Los Angeles Daily News/SCNG)

ABRAM TUVOV CONVICTED of 4 counts of felony rape – Court on FRIDAY May 25, 2018 in INDIO, CA COURT

ATTENTION Journalists, News , Associated Press, Palm Springs News- please come to witness what will happen with this Convicted rapist- Sentencing has been postponed before. We hope and pray Justice will be served.

#metoo, #TIMESUP  campaign #SAYNOTORAPEINAA

FACTS

NAME  ABRAM TUVOV- Member of alcoholics anonymous for 20 years. Lives Plam Springs and Santa Monica CA.

CASE# INF1600703

Judge Otis Sterling

DA -Samantha ( SAMMIE ) Paxio

District attorneys office 760-393-2617

Location : Indio Court – 46200Oasis Strett, Indio Ca 92201

Friday 9 AM May 25th , 2018 Court room- 2 G upstairs

Were you 13 th Stepped ( Sexually Harassed ) raped or assaulted by an Alcoholics Anonymous or NA member?

We are dealing with a situation here in California where  a woman was raped by an AA man over three years ago.

He was convicted of four counts of felony rape. But he is still walking around as a free man 2 months later. The Sentencing has been delayed again and again.He fired his Lawyer the day of his sentencing as well.

We are looking for any other persons who were raped – went to the police – got a conviction- etc. Also if you were raped and need help please contact me. @makeaasafer@gmail.com or here.

We are going all out with the Media. Please contact me here if you have any suggestions of persons you think may help the victim.

Facts :

CASE # INF1600703-  call 760-393-2617

The rape occurred November 2014.

Samantha Paxio is the DA/ District Attorney defending the Victim – Jane Doe.

The judge gave him 60 more days. They will be back in court May 23, 2018 .

We hear Detective Benstead did a kickass job with this case. Thank you Detective!

OC Register reports on more deaths happening in the shady run Rehabs in Southern California.

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The son of a high-profile Chicago politician died in February at a sober living home affiliated with addiction treatment provider New Existence Recovery.

In March, a co-owner of New Existence, possibly distraught over that death, died after an apparent overdose.

In addition, last month, a man committed suicide by hanging himself at a mental health facility run by embattled Sovereign Health. Also last month, Luminance Recovery in south Orange County filed for bankruptcy in the wake of shrinking insurance reimbursements, according to public records. Read full story here:

Deaths, financial chaos bring scrutiny to Rehab Riviera recovery industry

OC Register continues it stand up work exposing the shady rehab industry in Southern California .

WHEN did AA Drug Court begin in your State. How can we stop this?

WHEN did drug court begin in your state.

Do you want to stop this? How can you help? contact us at makeaasafer@gmail.com

Please contact NY General Service Office – and express your complaints about Court Ordering.

 

NYC AA International Headquarters located in the Interfaith Building on Riverside Drive in Harlem.

212-870-3400

Ask for Greg Tobin General Service Manager/President of AA, or Albin Zezula .

It has been reported to us that there are many long time AA members who are very upset about forced attendance to AA meetings. They are saying it is ruining their atmosphere inside the rooms.  We agree- but- it is  a 1st amendment civil rights violation to be forced to attend a religious organization by ones government. So many who get a DUI or any ticket have no idea what AA is. Some young people I know, especially one young male, who was a Muslim was very offended and shocked he was forced to go to such a lay person religious group and many are atheists who are equally insulted. We are fighting back.

If you are still in AA, you can bring this up at every level in AA.

Courts could have a group downtown where all 7 free options could be shown them. That’s it. No one should be forced there.

Please call the ACLU, The Atheists Society and NY AA  to file a complaint as well as your local State Attorney General. Call them. Email them.

http://courts.mi.gov/administration/admin/op/problem-solving-courts/drug/pages/default.aspx

Mr. ABRAM TUVOV – AA member of 20 years – Convicted of four counts of Felony Rape in Palm Springs last month yet still is out free. Is AA that powerful – Are AA members part of a secret untouchable society ? What gives?

FACTS – Abram Tuvov – member of Alcoholics Anonymous for 20 + years we heard in court, resides in Palm Springs and known in Santa Monica AA,  ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS meetings and its community was convicted last month of four counts of Felony Rape charges.

Jane Doe contacted us after the rape occurred in late November 2014 and she became frustrated with the way the case was being handled by Palm Springs Police Department.

Last month I sat in court for a day to listen and support the  victim on the witness stand. She was brave and honest.

He was convicted by a JURY of his peers. Yet Abram Tuvov walked out of the courthouse a free man. OK – so they gave him 30 days to get his affairs together. So what happened here on Wednesday?

The Judge –Otis Sterling, gave him those 30 days to do this.

BUT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>He showed up on Wednesday  March 13th, 2018 in Indio, CA Court House, located at 46200 Oasis St. Indio, CA 92201. Room 2G   TUVOV   saying ” he fired his lawyer”! So now what happens. He had a trial. They found him guilty.  —- what is going on here. Why is he not in jail? He will walk around free for over two months even though he was found guilty as charged ====++++++

Facts :

CASE # INF1600703-  call 760-393-2617

The rape occurred November 2014.

Samantha Paxio is the DA/ District Attorney defending the Victim – Jane Doe.

The judge gave him 60 more days. They will be back in court May 23, 2018 .

We hear Detective Benstead did a kickass job with this case. Thank you Detective!

 

What happened to a fair and speedy trial? If you or a loved one was harmed in any way by an AA / NA member please write to us at makeaasafer@gmail.com

If you were raped –  sexual harassed – assaulted, groped – please call the police – go to rape in crisis center – or contact us here.

 

 

WARREN BOYD – self proclaimed Addiction interventionist Highlighted on THE CLEANER on A & E is facing trial in Glendale, CA Courts

With no degree in science, no PhD, no CAC11 training, no MFCC license, no nothing – Warren Boyd has played the big shot where  TV shows like The Cleaner on A & E – portray his form of radical, abusive, illegal ( Im not sure what to really call him ) 2009- 3 seasons , starring Ben Bratt . He claims he knows how to get Addicts to clean up. I’m like whatever dude- you are NOT God !

 

He has 9 DUI’s and did 5 years in Prison and got very close with many Hollywood Celebrities. Courtney Love, Mel Gibson, Robert Downey Jr., Corey Monteith,  and Whitney Houston.  You can read the article here in The Hollywood Reporter.

The Heroin-Addict Actress, The Interventionist and a Grieving Mother’s Court Fight: “She Didn’t Want to Die”

by Scott Johnson December 08, 2016, 6:15am PST

Eight months after Warren Boyd, who helped the likes of Robert Downey Jr. and Courtney Love get clean, took on aspiring Beverly Hills actress Amy Breliant as a client, the young woman was dead. Now Boyd — along with ‘Star Wars’ actress Carrie Fisher — will face a civil lawsuit.

Two LAPD officers working the 15-ADAM-85 beat responded to a call about a suspicious death.

They came to a well-tended home in Studio City around noon on Sept. 21, 2010. In one of three bedrooms, they found Amy Breliant, an aspiring actress and model from Beverly Hills. She was slouched over on a bed wearing a blue shirt, a computer in her lap. Crime scene photos show a syringe and cellphone in one hand and a string of rosary beads around her neck. A tinfoil ball with an off-white substance, a spoon and a green lighter lay next to her. She had been dead for several hours. A roommate who had made the 911 call told the coroner he had been staying with Breliant for two months to “help her sober up and stay away from the drug scene.”

Amy was 21, beautiful, vivacious —

 

and a heroin addict. Seven months earlier, she had begun another attempt at sobriety under the guidance of Warren Boyd, a self-described “extreme interventionist” who tied his public image to the successful recovery of some of Hollywood’s biggest stars. A convicted felon and former addict himself, Boyd reportedly had helped Robert Downey Jr. get clean. Courtney Love later hired Boyd, and paparazzi caught the two coming and going from court hearings and rehab appointments. Such Hollywood royalty as Mel Gibson and Whitney Houston reportedly had been on his client roster. In 2008, A&E aired a fictionalized version of his life called The Cleaner, starring Benjamin Bratt. In a behind-the-scenes advertorial, actor Ashley Hamilton, another client, said Boyd’s “by any means necessary” approach was harsh but effective. “Warren’s great for addicts because he can convince you you need to get sober,” said Hamilton.

But Boyd’s unorthodox intervention techniques hadn’t saved Breliant. Amy’s mother, Gianna, believes Boyd exacerbated her daughter’s heroin addiction and contributed to her death. Court records and depositions from former employees suggest that Boyd may have crossed the line from “extreme interventionist” into something more dangerous.

AMY deserves better – All those with Substance users deserve to be treated by real Doctors and real therapists. Not some ex con who thinks he is a cool 12 stepper with an edge.

Read full story here:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/warren-boyd-carrie-fisher-sued-by-mother-late-amy-breliant-953238

Self-professed atheist and humanist James Lindon Fights Court-Ordered Alcoholics Anonymous Treatment

CLEVELAND (CN) – An Ohio atheist convicted of drug charges claims in court that a state judge and treatment providers forced him to participate in Alcoholics Anonymous, which he says is rooted in monotheistic spirituality.

Self-professed atheist and humanist James Lindon filed his pro se lawsuit Monday in Cleveland federal court against Judge Shirley Strickland Saffold, Cuyahonga County departments and officials, and a treatment center and program.

In 2016, Lindon was convicted of drug possession and theft for stealing five hydrocodone pills from an outpatient clinic where he was working as a pharmacist.  He was also convicted of tampering with evidence after swallowing four of the five stolen pills when confronted by plainclothes security guards, according to court records.

Judge Strickland Saffold of the Cuyahoga County Court of Common Pleas sentenced Lindon to 30 days in an in-patient substance abuse program and two years of probation.

However, to successfully complete his treatment and probation, Lindon claims he has also been required to participate in an Alcoholics Anonymous 12-step program, which he says is entirely dependent on belief in a single God or “higher power.”

“Compelling any person to attend de facto religious services as a part of mandatory substance abuse treatment program is a predictable and systemic violation of constitutional law,” his lawsuit states.

According to the complaint, Lindon was told that failure to attend and participate in the 12-step program would result in incarceration or other detrimental consequences.

When Lindon objected to the religious elements of the program and said he did not believe in a higher power, the treatment center staff allegedly refused to adjust his treatment plan and instead instructed him to read a chapter of the Alcoholics Anonymous Big Book entitled “We Agnostics.”

The chapter asserts that alcoholism is an illness that only a “spiritual experience” will conquer and claims that recovery from alcoholism requires belief in a “power greater than ourselves,” according to the lawsuit.

Lindon disagrees.

“Substance abuse counseling can be successfully provided without resorting to religious superstition, appeals to the supernatural, and interference in plaintiff’s sincerely held beliefs concerning religion, Christianity, humanism and atheism,” the complaint states.

He claims his requests for secular alternatives to the faith-based 12-step program have fallen on deaf ears and he has been forced to continue participating in religious services or risking facing punishment. Read full story …

 

Atheist Fights Court-Ordered Alcoholics Anonymous Treatment