What is Deprogramming from Alcoholics Anonymous and do you want help?

Some people find that even after leaving AA- 20 years ago – 6 months ago – 2 years ago – those “readings are still lingering in your head as your head hits the pillow.

What is that all about anyway? Were we really brainwashed ? Many say – “No” that cant be… AA is not a cult. ” Many of us say yes, yes – it is a cult and here is why.

I too wondered why was it that people get sucked in so quickly – I think it is a many pronged factor.

  •  People are very lonely when they arrive ( their family and friends are all angry at them _ hence the LOVE BOMBING.
  • The readings at every meeting and the tone in which they are read are straight up brainwashing technique ( this is the use of all We’s and US not Me and I ) I will post a Through the worm hole episode to make my point.
  •  A person may be in an extremely vulnerable state. Like never before or never again will this the case perhaps.

The things people say in meetings, like : Only WE CAN HELP YOU

You will die or go insane or go to jail if you leave here.

You must come here forever, Only WE Understand you …. we are special —

Loaded language is used in AA and in all cults.  I will continue this thread adding in how I deprogrammed and how you to can be free not only from the meetings – buts its ideology.

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There are professionals that can help too. Rachel Bernstein in a great resource-

WHEN did AA Drug Court begin in your State. How can we stop this?

WHEN did drug court begin in your state.

Do you want to stop this? How can you help? contact us at makeaasafer@gmail.com

Please contact NY General Service Office – and express your complaints about Court Ordering.

 

NYC AA International Headquarters located in the Interfaith Building on Riverside Drive in Harlem.

212-870-3400

Ask for Greg Tobin General Service Manager/President of AA, or Albin Zezula .

It has been reported to us that there are many long time AA members who are very upset about forced attendance to AA meetings. They are saying it is ruining their atmosphere inside the rooms.  We agree- but- it is  a 1st amendment civil rights violation to be forced to attend a religious organization by ones government. So many who get a DUI or any ticket have no idea what AA is. Some young people I know, especially one young male, who was a Muslim was very offended and shocked he was forced to go to such a lay person religious group and many are atheists who are equally insulted. We are fighting back.

If you are still in AA, you can bring this up at every level in AA.

Courts could have a group downtown where all 7 free options could be shown them. That’s it. No one should be forced there.

Please call the ACLU, The Atheists Society and NY AA  to file a complaint as well as your local State Attorney General. Call them. Email them.

http://courts.mi.gov/administration/admin/op/problem-solving-courts/drug/pages/default.aspx

AN Ex stepper’s take on AA— from FACEBOOK – Leaving AA or any 12 step group

This is posted here with the permission of the writer herself.

Post written by Carrie Lee

 

So after a year of sporadically making my way through the Orange Papers and being involved here on this forum here’s my take on what’s going on with AA:

1. The premise and dominant philosophies of AA came from the Oxford Groups – a puritanical fundamentalist Christian group started by a nazi sympathiser
2. The program, a mish-mash of poor philosophy and random spirituality, was cobbled together through the ‘inspiration’ of a megalomaniac, womanising, momentarily-physically-sober madman with absolutely no supportive evidence that it could be relevant to alcoholics except the backing of one doctor who was apparently impressed with the idea of peer support (wow, what a concept). The god-stuff was entirely erroneous.
3. The program was given credibility when they lobbied the AMA to call alcoholism a disease so it would be covered by insurance …and so the now billion dollar D&A industry was born to perpetuate the myth
4. The program has always had a heavy confessional component that keeps people focused on their negatives, their self-esteem low and their minds therefore malleable
5. This allows for an environment in which control-freaks and predators can thrive and prey on the vulnerable
6. The program has no greater success rate than the percentage of people giving up naturally in any given year. Further, there are many components of both the program itself and the way people apply it that actively work against a person’s sobriety and well-being from simple ideas like don’t get a partner or job when both are proven to be tremendously helpful to people wishing to get sober, to the harmful such as “it’s a disease, you are powerless and will need us forever”, to the seriously dangerous like “don’t take your meds”
7. While you could forgive it for not being effective, it’s hard to forgive the serious harm done through sexual abuse, mental manipulation, guilt-tripping and humiliation that lead to suicides, binge drinking, premature death, loss of family, friends and support structures and at the very least, many lost years and opportunities
8. The program will never be altered in light of new evidence and proven current support mechanisms.

What’s not to like eh??!?!?!?!?!

Parents- Children with Addiction – opiates or alcohol -Advise

As a long time ex AA member I HIGHLY recommend you DO NOT send your children to any 12 step rehab or sober living. AA is 95 % fail rate.

  • The FBI is cracking down and investigating Insurance Fraud for SOBER LIVING
  • Ask what credentials those working there have.
  • Treatment does not take place in SOBER Living.
  • Sober Living has NO DOCTOR – its a house that is over priced where your children may be treated like they are in prison
  • In CA and Pennsylvania no background checks happen in those rehabs.
  • Even and IOP Intensive outpatient may just be More AA – Big Book Studies and watching bad AA propaganda Movies like 28 days with Sandra Bullock.
  • Body Brokering and Kickbacks are going on all over the USA with rehab and Sober Living Fraud.
  • Being an AA member does not make one an expert on anything except their own drinking, drugging, failures and success.
  • Criminals can be also sent to your kids soner living.
  • Heroin may be swirling around and in those rehabs and sober livings. Your child is better off coming home to YOU.
  • Please research and Attend Craft for families. Stay away from Al ANON.
  • AA members are not experts and have NO TRAINING! Do not listen to them unless they prove to be trusted. Men who are intersted in your sons may be pedophiles.
  • Your teens should NEVER go to AA or NA meetings without YOU!

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Are you tired of the court ordering of Violent and sex offenders to AA?

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Were you or a family member abused in a 12 step sober living or 12 step rehab that failed.

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Were you raped by an AA member.

Are you a professional forced to go to AA for 3-5 years? Were you forced to JOIN and organization from 1935 against your free will?

Are you a Musician forced to go to an expensive rehab or no Record Deal ?

Did you lose your child to the AA cult thinking?

Did your loved one die in 12 step sober living or 12 step rehab?

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FYI There are many good options besides AA. SMART RECOVERY, Moderation Management, The Sinclair Method, ( with Naltrexone)  Harm Reduction.

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AA member found guilty of rape of two AA women Newbury Park, CA

A jury found a Newbury Park man guilty of sexually assaulting two women he met through Alcoholics Anonymous programs.

After about a two-week trial in Ventura County Superior Court, jurors on Thursday voted unanimously and found William Beliveau, 64, guilty of one felony count of sexual penetration of an adult woman while she was intoxicated, said Senior Deputy District Attorney Erik Nasarenko.

Jurors also found Beliveau guilty of one felony count of sexual penetration of an adult woman while she was asleep or unconscious. The Newbury Park man could face a maximum of 10 years in state prison when he returns to court for sentencing on Aug. 24, Nasarenko said.

 

http://www.vcstar.com/story/news/2017/07/28/newbury-park-man-found-guilty-sexual-assault/518641001/

Hollywood AA kills another actor- “True Blood” Star Nelsan Ellis dies from withdrawal from alcohol

I was sad to hear that this actor Nelsan Ellis died from kicking alcohol- Going cold turkey is never a good idea when addicted to alcohol. But its not uncommon for Hollywood to push ALL AA on its fellow actors. Sad sad situation.

I wonder if he knew about Naltrexone, vitvitrol and using a Harm Reduction Method over time, then quitting. There are Doctors who will work with patients giving them medications to stop having a seizure from the detox.

Ellis died July 8 from heart failure complications at age 39. His family issued a statement attributing the heart failure to longtime alcohol and drug abuse.

The actor was born in Harvey, Ill., and lived in Alabama with his aunt and siblings before moving back to Chicago at age 15. After joining the Marines for a short period of time, he studied at Illinois State University and went on to get a degree from Juilliard School. In addition to his fan-favorite role as Lafayette Reynolds on HBO’s “True Blood,” he also appeared in “The Soloist,” “The Butler,” “Elementary,” and “The Help.”

My heartfelt condolences to his family and friends. http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/nelsan-ellis-funeral-dead-true-blood-1202496382/