HI and Welcome ! There has been a real surge in FACEBOOK activity with ex AA members. Please join us if you want on FACEBOOK in the deprogramming page. I know some dont want to let their identity be known so we are keeping this blog going.
It is a different kind of communication.
No more hiding the truth about AA and NA anymore !
But what do they mean to me today some 5 years later. I know how AA and NA are killing people.
1. When a Doctor or a Pilot, Nurse or lawyer is extorted to AA for years on end. When A pilot has to play the AA game. ( AA was intended to be a place where the person came to AA on their own) some kill themselves.
2. When members drink or drug again and are shamed into they failed the program ( they didn’t work it hard or good enough ) ” Perhaps you need to do more service….is d=said very often. Also not true. But many cant bear the thought of going back and raising their hands and starting over.
3. Many are told by a sponsor or a stupid AA member that taking SSRI’s makes you not sober or clean. ( Utter nonsense) who do these people think they are ? Doctors?
4. Many are sexually harassed, raped or their children are molested. When the victim goes to the group, the groups says ” well, whats your part in it.( Victims have no part in people victims) Thats what Predators love about AA
5. The facts of what I now understand is that AA fails about 90-95 % who go.
6. There are violent offenders being sent to AA, and through Domestic Violence this leads to murder. Sometimes they have long criminal backgrounds. ( as for the case in the Petite Murders, they met in AA and then they targeted this family) I have posted the killers mug shots on this page at the top.
7. Suicide is a big killer in AA.
8. I think AA and NA are a huge cause in with Opiates deaths currently . Say a heroin addict goes to a meeting. He or she is told they can never drink a beer or smoke pot. They look around the room and see these creeps or assholes and think— GOD— I’d rather shoot heroin and or die then come to these meetings for the rest of my life.
9. AA can create binge drinking. SOUTH PARK did a great episode about this.
I am glad to be here to connect with Distributors, Broadcasters and other Doc film makers world wide.
HotDocs is the biggest Film festival and Market in North America.
No The 13th Step did not make it into the film festival, ( I was dealing with Breast Cancer) but it will be seen by over 25 Distributors and important decision makers on a one to one basis. It’s a short trip this time, but productive and I may get to see a film or two. Best thoughts to you all!
Monica aka massive
Once again another great season of my favorite show “Shameless” is over. This season seemed to just fly by way too quickly. Thing is– that I never once bought into that Fiona likes the heroin, loser dude who runs a diner – killed a man- did time, NA guy played by Dermot Mulroney ( Sean Pierce) , 25 years her senior.
So we decided to watch season one again. Jeremy Allen White ( Steve) who was Fiona’s first car thieving boyfriend had some pretty genuine sexy chemistry and was truly lovable. We so wish they would bring him back along with all his charm and Starbucks and Donuts.
But here is the interesting thing happening. They are showing that NA doesn’t work . Season 6 ends with an interesting twist where Frank Fiona’s DAD sees that Dermot Mulroney is still using heroin. ( Spoiler alert ) And so in a nutshell ends the Wedding between the two.
I do have a problem with LIP going to rehab. First of all he doesn’t have a drinking problem. His Professor does. Next, he’s in college and was partying, but its like they wanna force him ( I mean the writers wanna force Lip– down this path for a reason.
What is that reason?
Just because someone has a rough patch, does not mean they need rehab. But Americans are all brainwashed to believe this.
SO here is my theory. Lip , the smartest of the Gallagher clan will not take well to AA brainwashing, rhetoric and or it’s stupidity. Maybe this is what we all have been waiting for. An A list TV show that shows the crap that is spewed in 12 step, its big book and the meetings.
UNLIKE CBS’s show MOM, Shameless, shamelessly tries to keep it real and tell it like it is. What a cast, what writing and directing… I love this show and can hardly wait to see where they will go with the AA rehab with Lip. I hope the writers are reading our blogs and FACEBOOK pages. 🙂 There are a ton of them now!
FINALLY- Thanks to the coverage in the Los Angeles Times .
Gary Benefield was in rough shape when a driver from the substance abuse treatment company A Better Tomorrow met him at the San Diego airport in 2010.
It was the day before his 53rd birthday. The longtime smoker had recently been hospitalized for pneumonia and was tethered to an oxygen tank, which he had relied on for years. He was seeking treatment for a drinking problem and had signed himself up for a round of detox and rehab.
Sometime that night, he collapsed by his bed at a Murrieta residential facility and died. The house manager, who was supposed to check on him regularly, had fallen asleep. Benefield’s body was found in the morning.
The family sued, reaching an out-of-court settlement.
What came next sent a jolt through California’s large drug and alcohol rehabilitation industry. The state attorney general’s office pursued second-degree murder charges against A Better Tomorrow and four of its employees — the first time in California history that a corporation had been accused of murder, according to the facility’s attorneys.
Kelly Strader, a professor at Southwestern Law School, said the attorney general’s office may have filed the charges as a warning to treatment facilities “that you’d better clean up your act. We’re going to take this very seriously.”
A 2012 report by the California Senate Office of Oversight and Outcomes, which outlined the four deaths at A Better Tomorrow, among others, said that the state had failed to police treatment homes, “with deadly results.”
We want to begin a new dialogue about how to expose the coercion of US citizens who get DUI’s, and told they must go to AA meetings, which is a violation of their First Amendment Rights. We want to stop AA from being in our Courts and educate people about other free options like SMART RECOVERY, Moderation, SOS, Women for Sobriety and HAMS Harm Reduction and the Use of Naltrexone etc.
We want AA out of The FAA and extorting Pilots to go to AA meetings, to AA rehabs to the tune of 40K a month because they have money, and forcing them to spend thousands of dollars to go to an AA Psychiatrist. Yes an AA member who is a psychiatrist and playing the AA game and making alot of money doing it.
We want to stop The Board of Nursing from sending Nurses to AA for 5 years.
We want AA members, or those coerced there to know that when they are sexually harassed in an AA meeting, that they have rights and they can do something about it.
There have been similar organizations that have gotten away with sexual assault crimes and preying on children for hundreds of years, that have since been attacked, sued and forced to change . These organizations were once untouchable. The Catholic Church and The Boy Scouts have helped many, yet still they needed to address sex offenders and deviants from using their organization for easy pickings. It was their Insurance carriers , not their caring about the protection of children that forced them to do this.
With the growth of the internet and a few powerful blogs like Orange Papers and Stinkin- Thinkin, things began to change in regards to AA and secrecy.
In 2008 a General Service Board member , Paul C. wrote a 7 page letter http://stinkin-thinkin.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/ATTACHMENT_TO_TOPIC_002-PREDATORS.doc.pdf to the General Service Board of Alcoholics Anonymous. They made him wait one year to read it to them. Then something happened that shocked not only Paul, but a couple of Board members … one that I interviewed for The 13th Step. They were shocked when the board asked the AA member team of paid employees to go to the AA US fellowship and ask them how they feel about such things.
They told the Board ” That’s not our job! ” The men that I knew who were inside for that meeting told me that after my 8 page letter arrived in October of 2009 they, the AA General Service Board voted to do nothing…. One man was in AA for 30 + years. These are really good men who were sickened by what they saw going in in NY AA Main Headquarters…these men who were on the board decided to leave AA .
All across America, including Los Angeles, Ohio, Fort Collins, Louisville , Kentucky, Bellingham ,Washington, I visited AA meetings with women who were harmed and we saw a pattern. Meetings once filled to capacity over with 300 now had 30. Meetings once filled with 110 pp, on a Friday night , now had 10.
With one click into Google a person can type, IS AA DANGEROUS. or Sexual Predators in AA.
Gabrielle Glasers New York Times Bestseller, HER BEST KEPT SECRET http://gabrielleglaser.com/
and Lance Dodes book The SOBER TRUTH http://www.lancedodes.com/ also came out in the summer of 2012. Gabrielle’s piece in THE ATLANTIC had millions of reads and thousands of comments. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/04/the-irrationality-of-alcoholics-anonymous/386255/
Most journalists I spoke to at first had no idea that AA was not run by a trained social worker or therapist. I was shocked by their idea that it was. I knew what AA was and what it wasn’t.
Then CBS 48 Hours aired. Boy did the shit storm happen on CBS 48 Hours FACEBOOK Page- Some AA members calling Maureen Maher all kinds of vicious names and comments that even shocked some of us. They went crazy calling Karla Brada parents names saying they were looking for Big bucks with their Law Suit against AA, which we know is not true. EVEN Marianne Williamson attacked Gabrielle Glaser on her FACEBOOK page when Gabrielle was on MSNBC. She was far from “spiritual” in her remarks.
If you are leaving AA, NA, or if you have left and have been harmed in any way, I would like to make a suggestion. Write your story of how and what happened in the shortest form you can do. Think about anyone who is a professional in your town, be it a Therapist, Police Officer, Judge, Doctor, Lawyer, Educator, parole Officer. Tell your community how you were harmed.
#2. If what was done to you was a crime. Think about — are you willing to take them to court, finally go to the Police? Do you need help with support to do that? contact us at firstname.lastname@example.org
#3 Were you “just” sexually harassed and are you willing to speak out about it?
#4 Were you financially ripped off by an AA member or your AA sponsor ?
Maybe you just want to make a youtube video about it. Like Jason Bartley has done.
There are many who silently Hate AA. There are many who claim AA saved their lives. We here know what AA really is…and what it isn’t.
2016 – Get ready as we are ready to kick some butt when it comes to extortion, The FAA, the Board of Nursing, DUI and coercion in our courts.
When I left AA over four…almost five years ago, I thought AA just needed some safety policies, some pamphlets and warnings that violent men were getting court ordered to AA, which was unknown to AA members and the public at large.
But almost five years later I am still in shock how much AA is controlling America our TV Show and film and our court system. How we view addictive behavior. How the FAA extorts Pilots to AA and expensive rehab. How The Board of Nursing is infested with extorting nurses to AA for 5 years, three times a week. How they have professionalized an Asshole AA sponsor, as if they are someone important.
Does anyone really think that AA sponsors are smarter then you . Do they think they are professionals like REAL therapists who have PHD’s? WHY do reporters ever call AA meetings….AA sessions? Holy mother of god— when will this shit stop.
I was watching Shameless tonight , now filled with a Stepper heroin addict thread line, that Fiona is fucking. Not Dating…btw——so like an AAer….the actor who is playing this guy I’m sure is a stepper in real life he plays the character so well. ( I’m not really sure) sorry Kyle if you are reading this.
Then I watched, no—– fast forwarded through an HBO Documentary about Heroin in Massachusetts. It was like a 71 minute commercial for Narcotics ANONYMOUS— UGHHHHHH…..I wanted to throw up ….What a piece of crap this movie was.
Here’s the deal…sometimes I feel like we are making head way…I don’t know why I would think that…nothings really changed in any court room that I know about.
Well we did get on CBS 48 HOURS— that s a big deal and that is some headway– we got on Katie Couric. Gabrielle’s New York Times Bestseller does document my story and my work while I was in AA those last two years…so that’s a big deal.
Gabrielle Glaser is making headway back east, God bless her, talking to Doctors in Hospitals, but out here in Fairly Godmother land of AA and the Goliath Hollywood stepper GALORE palace of bullshit…I wonder – how will we knock AA out the park, into the trash where it belongs and start using real science and medicine for addictive behaviors. I am not sure.
SO- I will continue on my path and see what we can accomplish over the next few months.
I think its that time of the year where many might find themselves being sent to AA.
Many have no idea that AA is not a government agency. That AA is not regulated by the state. That AA is not safe. That AA is not a drug treatment program . It’s a group—- a fellowship….lay persons coming together.
So why are our courts sending EVERYONE to AA meetings for any violation and why are the Courts interconnected with rehabs, sober livings that are totally 12 step run. How long has this been going on? Since Drug court began in 1989? No ….it started before that , but when drug courts began it got oh so much worse.
Now in AA, some are there to help. Some are there to harm. Some are there to serve so they can stay “sober” ….AA style….. Some are there to take whatever they can and never give back.
But where’s the warning label for Alcoholic Anonymous? Like Cigarettes…one day an Insider who worked in the industry outed those guys. We think AA needs to be outed for who is there, who is sent there and who goes there to prey on innocent civilians.
Even though there is a “leader” or “secretary” who picks or is picked that day or the week before – they don’t necessarily lead unless its a cult group like the PG group-
Most AA members don’t feel empowered to really lead for the most part.
When they read the preamble before every meeting — how come they don’t say
” AA is a drug /alcohol treatment program” . ..oh that’s right …That’s because it is not that. So what is AA really? Is it a fellowship? Then how can you get ordered to join a religious organization from a Judge? Is it a religion? TO some it is. It’s religious for sure.
Over 35 Courts have Deemed it so. Is it a Drug Treatment Program? No —-other wise it would need to be regulated by the state. But AA’s rehabs grandfathered themselves in way back when as something called ” NON Medical treatment and they are governed by The Department of Health? How is this going on ? Well it is.
So I guess the next question is how do we undo this. So if it’s not medical treatment how is Insurance paying for it . I mean rehab— 30 K a month- or $1,000 a day paid by Athem Blue Cross for Action Family where no medical anything is occurring…Just being bused to AA meetings. Just attending AA meetings. No doctors, no PhD’s, no groups let by real therapists? And maybe your daughter or son may be bused to a place where all the AA meetings are filled with men like Eric Earle, near trailer parks- connected to the DOC filled with not so wonderful not really AA members. That your Daughter or son may mix and mingle with these kinds of criminals.
We need to educate the public and stop the judges and the ab541 classes from sending people to AA for a DUI offense.
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Hi everyone. Did coffee every look and smell like this at an AA meeting ?
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