Join host Monica Richardson for a 1 hour show where ex steppers can air their grievances in a way that most likely would never be possible.
Join host Monica Richardson for a 1 hour show where ex steppers can air their grievances in a way that most likely would never be possible.
Here is it folks. A slippery slope- I hope there are some politicians and judges who see how bad this really is. Honestly – I need a break. AA is just too big , too infested, too powerful- too HOLLYWOOD>..https://www.sobernation.com/washington-state-senate-bill-provides-12-step-sponsors-freedom-from-civil-court-testimony/https://www.sobernation.com/washington-state-senate-bill-provides-12-step-sponsors-freedom-from-civil-court-testimony/https://www.sobernation.com/washington-state-senate-bill-provides-12-step-sponsors-freedom-from-civil-court-testimony/
Please call your congressman , your councilpersons, your assembly man /woman and The Chief Justice of your State Supreme Courts, to discuss your bad experience and ask them to stop the practice of sending everyone to AA , always suggest the other option including The Sinclair Method using Naltrexone and Vivitrol for starters.
WHY-??? Who is ordering her to attend AA meetings? A judge in LA —-does Malika Haqq know what other kind of people are attending AA meeting’s. Violent and Sex Offenders … If you are reading this know that they are violating your 1st amendment Rights and you have other options. A pretty woman like this is a sure target for rapist’s and financial scammers in AA. Contact us here. Read full story here….
How deep does it go. Are you still using AA language. Do you still behave like a stepper? ….Maybe just a little? I guess that would depend how long you were in AA and how deeply involved you were. What does look like? What does that sound like?
“He went out” vs “He had something to drink”.
Sober – Abstinance,
“Are you drinking?”
they say ” Dry Drunk” vs He /she is sober without AA.
“Are you drinking now ? vs I say ” I don’t do that anymore” meaning I don’t answer their question because it’s none of their business. Or I answer it with “Hell yea, Yes I imbibe and I’m healed…I was never broken, I’m fine ! “
As far back as 23 years ago when I went into therapy, I learned that Bill and his Bullshit BB were wrong about a few things. 1) all that stuff about anger was for normal folks? What a shithead he was. I did rage work with a PhD. and boy did that change me. You many think I can get mad now…you should have seen me before. But a good year-or two, with a specialist in childhood abuse and even I felt like a new woman. Lots of rage, lots of sadness.
She said to me , ” you have never mourned your childhood” so I began to cry, 17 years sober and 35 years old back then, I cried like a baby. All that rage just covering up decades of pain. Pain that AA only hardened and did not help one the bit. Friggen loser program. Lets not forget all the self blaming AA forced unto me , compiling more low self esteem and “Oh , ‘m a loser kinda mentality” including , I’m broken.
Yes I started deprogramming when I first found Orange Papers in 2009 , and then I blogged on Stinkin thinkin…but many ears ago, when I was 4 years sober and 22 years old in 1979, i began to question AA at some levels. It was then I began to read as many other books to try and figure out a way for me to feel okay. I knew I had done the 12 steps right and read the book cover to cover and so I deep down knew those books and AA were never going to fix what did need some adjusting….( Notice I didn’t say Fixing)
So i’d like a list of comeback’s you use to their stupid wording. Wording you use when you run into them in the street or tools and techniques you use. Hank Hayes book You’ve Been Lied too. is good for this. Also just really paying attention to what you say and how you talk, if you are trying to deprogram and when you say an AA colloquialism- you stop- and re say it like a normal person would.
People not even in AA are also brainwashed and are using these phrases because AA is so intrenched in our media, TV and films. I usually see them in line at a coffee shop etc, and they love to throw that line out” oh- I’m so addicted to this Starbucks!!! hahaha …its just like crack” one young guy said to me as I put my straw into my ice tea drink. I usually say something like . ” no …your not addicted and no that coffee is not like crack…you just like the coffee, you like Starbucks ”
If you listen to the early shows I did on Blog talk radio/ Safe Recovery you can hear me deprogramming on the radio week by week. I think I am going to do another show about the books that helped me the most. Please share here would you the books that helped you with a link them if you want.
WILL AA in NY and in every meeting take it’s own INVENTORY?
I now know how bad AA is infested everywhere in America. Its a bit much. A bit depressing. Someone is trying to hack this site, shut it down and take control …daily.
Why? What are they afraid of? Who is doing it. …
I am really sad for the pilots, the doctors and nurses and average joes and Janes who go there, get DUI’s and get sent there and children forced there by their parents.
I am embarrassed, that I was ever an AA person. I feel bad that I talked some AA crap to my kids during those important teen years. 🙁 oh well. At least I left 4 years ago. Can I take a cake for being gone 4 years…..LOL
What do you think it is going to take?
Please contact Pilot, Brent Weyhrauch, for all matters regarding coercion, and forced attendance to AA. If you or any pilot you know is being forced to attend and AA based rehab, which is all they know, you can fight back. There is a group of lawyers who have come together to sue on behalf of Pilots…
The FAA and their airline companies. Please contact Brent right away if you are a pilot and were coerced and extorted to attend AA.
When did it become okay to forced Pilots, to a religious, lay person, unregulated pod of people, and dangerous criminals.
A place with no regulations, no safety rules, no accountability, no science, and no trained leaders.
We are coming together to stop this insanity.
Recently a woman posted on my stop13 step in AA site. She posted the whole story there. I think you need to see as she has a lot of courage. She is a lovely young 40 year old female that I have been speaking with at length, for the past week, as she is trying to make them change. I want you to go easy with her and her story as she was raped only 40 days ago. The day before Thanksgiving in Palm Springs CA> by a 68 year old male about 5’10 inches tall, in great shape with an accent. He is know to ask women and also be on craigslist. He has a boat in th marina and goes back and forth from Santa Monica , the marina and Palm Springs. Please WARN all. She went to the police and he has not been arrested yet.
She also reported that rape & crisis is Cochella valley said rape with the LGBT GAY AA community in Palm Springs is also very very bad. No one going to the police. I will go out there when a trial happens to support her and help any way I can.
Posted a few days ago by Adrianna W.
I for one am looking forward to 2015. I’m not sure where the courage has come from for me to write this letter to you, but I feel it is so very important that I share my story and do my part to “talk about RAPE”, my rape in AA.
The day before Thanksgiving 2014, I was raped, 39 days ago. I have been in AA for close to 10 years and have been clean and sober almost 7 years. My program is my safe haven I am filled with deep gratitude for all that has been freely given to me and I give back as much as I can. My rapist is a man AA in my small community of Palm Springs CA and has 28 (!!) years sober. We call people with lots of time the “elders” and they are the ones we look up to and admire and trust. I am 45 years old. He is 69 years old. (I later found out he injects himself with steroids in he’s arms..yuck!) NOT SOBER
I accepted his “friendly, non romantic invitation to a bicycle ride, the day before thanksgiving. I had only met him briefly at an AA BBQ hosted by my previous sponsor, a woman I trust with my life..or did. I asked her if it was safe to give this man my phone number, as he was interested in helping me with my on-line business. I was told he was fine and safe and has 28 years sober. I gave him my number based on that advice.
After the bike ride (his bikes at his house), we returned to his home where we went inside and has some water and he began making a waffle. He then picked me up off his recliner and began rubbing my shoulders claiming they were tense for the ride. He proceeded to walk behind me, “directing” me into his bedroom. I walked slowly, but I went on my own accord, having no idea he would rape me.
Once in his room he immediately began grabbing at my top, pulling and tearing. I said NO. He said, “Something’s gotta come off” and began pulling at my shorts. I kept my legs closed and he then jumped on top of me and while there began trying to pull my breast out from the top of my shirt, putting his mouth all over my breast. I again said “STOP, I don’t want you to do this”. He then tried to get into my shorts by lying on top of me, suffocating me and holding me down, while his hand tried to get in my shorts. I kept him out and that made him upset. I kept saying, NO, STOP” but he was on top of me and I just froze up inside. He then got off me partially and pulled my shorts and panties to one side and painfully shoved his finger inside of me. I began to sob. I was totally numbed out and paralyzed emotionally. He then got off me and performed oral sex on me for about 2 seconds until I loudly with intent, said “NO STOP, Please!” But I didn’t run or kick him or fight for myself. I just froze up and kept my eyes closed. He then had his shorts off and started loudly saying, “look at me! Look at me..Don’t you want to see what you are missing? I was crying and sobbing. He was angry because I wouldn’t look at him. At that point he shoved his penis inside me and it really hurt. I screamed STOP..I guess loudly enough that he took me seriously, but not before he got at least 2 hard thrusts inside me. He then said, “You know what safe sex is? A condom and a good lawyer”. I had no idea what he was talking about. When it was over he was totally unaffected my tears and the entire act. I got up and got dressed, still totally numb, feeling like I was in some weird dream. I sat down and ate half a waffle, not wanting to exhibit fear. He told me not to tell anyone, especially m AA Sponsor.
I left, got into my car and locked the doors began sobbing and called my old sponsor and went right to her house. She is older and almost in her 70’s. She helped me immensely and I believe was giving me her best advice, but it was bad advice. She told me not to tell anyone, not the police, not my current sponsor or anyone else because would be a “he said-She said” and that I would get a bad reputation in our recovery community and the process would be to traumatizing. She also told me that because I was “pretty” that many of the other women would be happy that I was raped. I know this is false, but it hurt to hear that. I was in total shock and it sounded like a good plan to me because I was numb and I was afraid. For, I was not really in my body to make right decisions or to think clearly for myself. Knowing what I know now I would have called the police right then and there, but I was utterly ashamed and terribly confused and totally numb. Total shock.
Here is the link to her post read full story here…http://stop13stepinaa.wordpress.com/2014/12/08/troll-aa-members-trying-to-crack-the-safety-code-what-a-joke/#comment-5083
Jeanne S Woodford , was on the Alcoholics Anonymous General Service Board and ran the Prison System in California till she retired in 2008….
WOW…now I am in shocked again. please contact us at email@example.com
In the new year I will be contacting the Supervising Judges in my state and in my city. Ok now I’m going back to being on vacation. 🙂 Maybe you might want to contact yours. A letter, a phone call, something to express your desire for the Courts to stop doing this.
Thank you for making this film !!!
I just came back from seeing the film WILD with Reese Witherspoon and Laura Dern. WOW what a great film. No steppers bullshit, no rehab, no AA rhetoric hocus pocus nonsense. Just walking the PCT ( Pacific Crest Trail).
Now I have to admit I relate a lot to this film. No I never used heroin. I drank and smoked pot. But I did hitch hike across the country 3 times alone, in the rain the snow and during a summer.
I hiked up a huge mountain ( San Juan mountains) in south western Colorado at age 17 in the summer of 1974.
Here I am at age 17.
I give this film 5 star rating. GO see it an be prepared to cry, laugh and enjoy a story that has not an inkling of stepper bullshit.
GO see it http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2305051/
and see if you want to walk too. I do. Im going to document it. Im going to walk more!
I just did a show about this. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/saferecovery/2014/03/05/is-aa-religious-or-spiritual-is-it-white-or-snowflake In preparation for my film I had all the references to GOD, HP , higher power crapola pulled out. We found there were some almost 600 references to God in the first 164 pages.
I am making a film about AA and 12 step coercion and if you would like to donate to the film please consider the Tax deductable donation. Many have been forced to AA or NA against your first amendment rights. Please click on the links below.
Or you can donate to the IDA and use paypal as well…http://www.documentary.org/community/sponsorship/donate?film_id=4112
There are also a lot of MUSTS! For a take it or leave it program there are many many musts.
I am convinced AA is a suedo, religious, and very cult like for sure. If you leave they ostracize you. If you question its tenets, they ostracize you. If you try to make it safe…they tell you its an outside issue. But we can think for ourselves and use our minds and not be brainwashed.
I think they are crazy! Please listen to the show and I will do a few more so we can laugh and not cry our way through this process. Some times its hard. 🙁
There are 7 free non religious options. Smart Recovery, SOS, Moderation.org , LIfeRING, Hams Harm Reduction, The Sinclair Method and Recover! The PERFECT PROGRAM> by Stanton Peele and Ilse Thompson.