Join host Monica Richardson for a 1 hour show where ex steppers can air their grievances in a way that most likely would never be possible.
Join host Monica Richardson for a 1 hour show where ex steppers can air their grievances in a way that most likely would never be possible.
DId you get hoodwinked. Were you told ‘Take what you like and leave the rest” ?
But after 7 months then all hell broke lose that I needed to take that 1st part of the 1st step or I wouldn’t get the WHOLE program! Which part of their stupid program are “they” referring to?
I was 18- Young and Naive and never knew what made a cult a cult. I didnt want to drink. I was a good little AA soldier already. SO why did I need to confess that I was Powerless to make them happy?
I will make it my mission to shrink AA to 10 % of its current size.
TO get it out of Medicine The FAA, THE BON, Our courts and penal system and out of our mental wards in Real Hospitals.
Get AA out of rehab. Shut down all sober Living run by Steppers.
Put in its place real clinics which are held accountable to treat – offer medications etc- not prayer and 12 steps and a blue Book from 1935 .
Nothing worse then a true believer that has flipped. LOL
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SAY NOT TO AA FOR DUI or any other god dang reason.
Its often discussed in heated debates about this name calling of AA.
I often defended AA when I was still in it . (1975-2011)
But sadly now I see it as a quasi cult. A powerful INSTITUTION embedded in too many professional EAP programs ( The FAA, Pilots, Nurses, and Doctors) our Courts, Probation and TV – aka Hollywood . Please tell me your thoughts.
What are some things you did to deprogram? Would like to hear a radio show about this?
Well- it’s here— now– finally after four years of work. We won some awards, got into The Cannes Festival in the DOCUMENTARY CORNER, and fought hard to get Broadcast distribution. I get emails from around the US and the world daily about the problems in AA.
BUY IT HERE. CLICK ON THE BLUE THE 13th Step on top Left !
The film that tells the truth about the most revered self-help group on the planet. AA- ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS, promoted as the wonder of this century by ROCKEFELLER, NEUT GINGRICH, DICK VAN DYKE, ELTON JOHN, EDIE FALCO, Senator Hughes, Chuck Lorre, Martin Sheen and many more.
Little did I know how deep the rabbit hole went when I started making the film in May of 2011. It was Christine and Saundra Cass’s murder in Hawaii that did it for me. Learning about Karla Brada’s murder put the nails in the coffin as well.
But when I learned about how Pilots, Nurses, and Doctors are extorted to attend in such an insane way …I could not believe my ears or eyes as I read their contracts. This could be another whole film on CNN , FRONTLINE or 60 Minutes – but I digress.
The latest News about Corrupt Sober Living Houses, (Chris Bathum featured on ABC 20/20 recently) fraud in Rehabs and how PROP 36 sends all the diversion folks to a SOBER LIVING, drug tests all clients and makes everyone follow the 1936 -12 step Prohibition WAYS of NO ALCOHOL , “no nothing” kinda mentality. YIKES !!!
Interesting note that Major Insurance is paying for The Sober Living sham, through a thing called IOP’s and expensive Drug Testing. Who owns the drug testing COMPANY you may ask? I find myself digging, again, down another rabbit hole. But, that’s another film. There is one pilot who I interviewed in this film. He was afraid to be seen.
Here is the link to rent or buy the film.
Here is it folks. A slippery slope- I hope there are some politicians and judges who see how bad this really is. Honestly – I need a break. AA is just too big , too infested, too powerful- too HOLLYWOOD>..https://www.sobernation.com/washington-state-senate-bill-provides-12-step-sponsors-freedom-from-civil-court-testimony/https://www.sobernation.com/washington-state-senate-bill-provides-12-step-sponsors-freedom-from-civil-court-testimony/https://www.sobernation.com/washington-state-senate-bill-provides-12-step-sponsors-freedom-from-civil-court-testimony/
Please call your congressman , your councilpersons, your assembly man /woman and The Chief Justice of your State Supreme Courts, to discuss your bad experience and ask them to stop the practice of sending everyone to AA , always suggest the other option including The Sinclair Method using Naltrexone and Vivitrol for starters.
We want to begin a new dialogue about how to expose the coercion of US citizens who get DUI’s, and told they must go to AA meetings, which is a violation of their First Amendment Rights. We want to stop AA from being in our Courts and educate people about other free options like SMART RECOVERY, Moderation, SOS, Women for Sobriety and HAMS Harm Reduction and the Use of Naltrexone etc.
We want AA out of The FAA and extorting Pilots to go to AA meetings, to AA rehabs to the tune of 40K a month because they have money, and forcing them to spend thousands of dollars to go to an AA Psychiatrist. Yes an AA member who is a psychiatrist and playing the AA game and making alot of money doing it.
We want to stop The Board of Nursing from sending Nurses to AA for 5 years.
We want AA members, or those coerced there to know that when they are sexually harassed in an AA meeting, that they have rights and they can do something about it.
There have been similar organizations that have gotten away with sexual assault crimes and preying on children for hundreds of years, that have since been attacked, sued and forced to change . These organizations were once untouchable. The Catholic Church and The Boy Scouts have helped many, yet still they needed to address sex offenders and deviants from using their organization for easy pickings. It was their Insurance carriers , not their caring about the protection of children that forced them to do this.
With the growth of the internet and a few powerful blogs like Orange Papers and Stinkin- Thinkin, things began to change in regards to AA and secrecy.
In 2008 a General Service Board member , Paul C. wrote a 7 page letter http://stinkin-thinkin.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/ATTACHMENT_TO_TOPIC_002-PREDATORS.doc.pdf to the General Service Board of Alcoholics Anonymous. They made him wait one year to read it to them. Then something happened that shocked not only Paul, but a couple of Board members … one that I interviewed for The 13th Step. They were shocked when the board asked the AA member team of paid employees to go to the AA US fellowship and ask them how they feel about such things.
They told the Board ” That’s not our job! ” The men that I knew who were inside for that meeting told me that after my 8 page letter arrived in October of 2009 they, the AA General Service Board voted to do nothing…. One man was in AA for 30 + years. These are really good men who were sickened by what they saw going in in NY AA Main Headquarters…these men who were on the board decided to leave AA .
All across America, including Los Angeles, Ohio, Fort Collins, Louisville , Kentucky, Bellingham ,Washington, I visited AA meetings with women who were harmed and we saw a pattern. Meetings once filled to capacity over with 300 now had 30. Meetings once filled with 110 pp, on a Friday night , now had 10.
With one click into Google a person can type, IS AA DANGEROUS. or Sexual Predators in AA.
Gabrielle Glasers New York Times Bestseller, HER BEST KEPT SECRET http://gabrielleglaser.com/
and Lance Dodes book The SOBER TRUTH http://www.lancedodes.com/ also came out in the summer of 2012. Gabrielle’s piece in THE ATLANTIC had millions of reads and thousands of comments. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/04/the-irrationality-of-alcoholics-anonymous/386255/
Most journalists I spoke to at first had no idea that AA was not run by a trained social worker or therapist. I was shocked by their idea that it was. I knew what AA was and what it wasn’t.
Then CBS 48 Hours aired. Boy did the shit storm happen on CBS 48 Hours FACEBOOK Page- Some AA members calling Maureen Maher all kinds of vicious names and comments that even shocked some of us. They went crazy calling Karla Brada parents names saying they were looking for Big bucks with their Law Suit against AA, which we know is not true. EVEN Marianne Williamson attacked Gabrielle Glaser on her FACEBOOK page when Gabrielle was on MSNBC. She was far from “spiritual” in her remarks.
If you are leaving AA, NA, or if you have left and have been harmed in any way, I would like to make a suggestion. Write your story of how and what happened in the shortest form you can do. Think about anyone who is a professional in your town, be it a Therapist, Police Officer, Judge, Doctor, Lawyer, Educator, parole Officer. Tell your community how you were harmed.
#2. If what was done to you was a crime. Think about — are you willing to take them to court, finally go to the Police? Do you need help with support to do that? contact us at email@example.com
#3 Were you “just” sexually harassed and are you willing to speak out about it?
#4 Were you financially ripped off by an AA member or your AA sponsor ?
Maybe you just want to make a youtube video about it. Like Jason Bartley has done.
There are many who silently Hate AA. There are many who claim AA saved their lives. We here know what AA really is…and what it isn’t.
2016 – Get ready as we are ready to kick some butt when it comes to extortion, The FAA, the Board of Nursing, DUI and coercion in our courts.
I think its that time of the year where many might find themselves being sent to AA.
Many have no idea that AA is not a government agency. That AA is not regulated by the state. That AA is not safe. That AA is not a drug treatment program . It’s a group—- a fellowship….lay persons coming together.
So why are our courts sending EVERYONE to AA meetings for any violation and why are the Courts interconnected with rehabs, sober livings that are totally 12 step run. How long has this been going on? Since Drug court began in 1989? No ….it started before that , but when drug courts began it got oh so much worse.
Now in AA, some are there to help. Some are there to harm. Some are there to serve so they can stay “sober” ….AA style….. Some are there to take whatever they can and never give back.
But where’s the warning label for Alcoholic Anonymous? Like Cigarettes…one day an Insider who worked in the industry outed those guys. We think AA needs to be outed for who is there, who is sent there and who goes there to prey on innocent civilians.
Even though there is a “leader” or “secretary” who picks or is picked that day or the week before – they don’t necessarily lead unless its a cult group like the PG group-
Most AA members don’t feel empowered to really lead for the most part.
When they read the preamble before every meeting — how come they don’t say
” AA is a drug /alcohol treatment program” . ..oh that’s right …That’s because it is not that. So what is AA really? Is it a fellowship? Then how can you get ordered to join a religious organization from a Judge? Is it a religion? TO some it is. It’s religious for sure.
Over 35 Courts have Deemed it so. Is it a Drug Treatment Program? No —-other wise it would need to be regulated by the state. But AA’s rehabs grandfathered themselves in way back when as something called ” NON Medical treatment and they are governed by The Department of Health? How is this going on ? Well it is.
So I guess the next question is how do we undo this. So if it’s not medical treatment how is Insurance paying for it . I mean rehab— 30 K a month- or $1,000 a day paid by Athem Blue Cross for Action Family where no medical anything is occurring…Just being bused to AA meetings. Just attending AA meetings. No doctors, no PhD’s, no groups let by real therapists? And maybe your daughter or son may be bused to a place where all the AA meetings are filled with men like Eric Earle, near trailer parks- connected to the DOC filled with not so wonderful not really AA members. That your Daughter or son may mix and mingle with these kinds of criminals.
We need to educate the public and stop the judges and the ab541 classes from sending people to AA for a DUI offense.
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Hi everyone. Did coffee every look and smell like this at an AA meeting ?
Well its that time of year where I will be paying for my server. …Yes I have my OWN server to keep up with the millions of hits we get each year. So far we have over 4.8 million.
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I originally made this blog to help with Stinkin thinkin coming down. I always wanted to help those who are leaving or those who have left.
But recently when I talked with a woman who is still going to AA, who was raped and is being shamed and not supported realized my blog was so far to the” I hate AA page” that there really is not much place for her here…is there. She found her way to me through my stop 13 step in AA page and blog which I have always kept separate so that this could be a place for those who are still in AA and are harmed. I mean my stop13 step blog.
It gave me pause to think about where the blog is right now. So Im a thinking.
SO– I thought of recovery from recovery blog. Are there any other FACEBOOK Pages or blogs that are for those harmed who are not ready to leave but no longer feel safe there….
How deep does it go. Are you still using AA language. Do you still behave like a stepper? ….Maybe just a little? I guess that would depend how long you were in AA and how deeply involved you were. What does look like? What does that sound like?
“He went out” vs “He had something to drink”.
Sober – Abstinance,
“Are you drinking?”
they say ” Dry Drunk” vs He /she is sober without AA.
“Are you drinking now ? vs I say ” I don’t do that anymore” meaning I don’t answer their question because it’s none of their business. Or I answer it with “Hell yea, Yes I imbibe and I’m healed…I was never broken, I’m fine ! “
As far back as 23 years ago when I went into therapy, I learned that Bill and his Bullshit BB were wrong about a few things. 1) all that stuff about anger was for normal folks? What a shithead he was. I did rage work with a PhD. and boy did that change me. You many think I can get mad now…you should have seen me before. But a good year-or two, with a specialist in childhood abuse and even I felt like a new woman. Lots of rage, lots of sadness.
She said to me , ” you have never mourned your childhood” so I began to cry, 17 years sober and 35 years old back then, I cried like a baby. All that rage just covering up decades of pain. Pain that AA only hardened and did not help one the bit. Friggen loser program. Lets not forget all the self blaming AA forced unto me , compiling more low self esteem and “Oh , ‘m a loser kinda mentality” including , I’m broken.
Yes I started deprogramming when I first found Orange Papers in 2009 , and then I blogged on Stinkin thinkin…but many ears ago, when I was 4 years sober and 22 years old in 1979, i began to question AA at some levels. It was then I began to read as many other books to try and figure out a way for me to feel okay. I knew I had done the 12 steps right and read the book cover to cover and so I deep down knew those books and AA were never going to fix what did need some adjusting….( Notice I didn’t say Fixing)
So i’d like a list of comeback’s you use to their stupid wording. Wording you use when you run into them in the street or tools and techniques you use. Hank Hayes book You’ve Been Lied too. is good for this. Also just really paying attention to what you say and how you talk, if you are trying to deprogram and when you say an AA colloquialism- you stop- and re say it like a normal person would.
People not even in AA are also brainwashed and are using these phrases because AA is so intrenched in our media, TV and films. I usually see them in line at a coffee shop etc, and they love to throw that line out” oh- I’m so addicted to this Starbucks!!! hahaha …its just like crack” one young guy said to me as I put my straw into my ice tea drink. I usually say something like . ” no …your not addicted and no that coffee is not like crack…you just like the coffee, you like Starbucks ”
If you listen to the early shows I did on Blog talk radio/ Safe Recovery you can hear me deprogramming on the radio week by week. I think I am going to do another show about the books that helped me the most. Please share here would you the books that helped you with a link them if you want.