Suing Alcoholics Anonymous, your “EAP” employer, 12 step rehabs and your Insurance Company that pays for a religious 1930’s never updated peer support groups. No Mental Heath and NO real Health Care provided there ma, so whats the deal? What can you do?

Is AA like a wind up  phone circa 1930’s…oldphone1930

and Smart Recovery is like an IPHONE.


Why in America are we so stuck back then, when it  comes to addiction, alcoholic overuse and dependency? At first I thought AA just grew as a grassroots organization. I thought that because the readings at AA meetings and the folklore that is perpetuated in meetings, makes one think that. Our TV  shows like “MOM”momtv show pic

and FILMS like “FLIGHT”

flightpicwith Denzel Washington   promotes it all flagrantly like its sweet cookies and milk support group that is run by professionals  and  secular, which we all know is not true! …

so hear is the thread you have requested….:)

Hi.  Have you been coerced or bullied into AA? Are you a Doctordrsmokingpic

or a pilot? AA was formulated when cigarettes were promoted as being good for us as we see here in this ad. Well, is AA still good for the masses? Never updated, never researched  or never vetted? For 75 years…

pilots pic

I have just come back from interviewing a Pilot and a Doctor.  I was so shocked I had a hard time watching the footage when I got home. I got up from my desk, went downstairs and told my husband it was too depressing…I could not handle it …how sad he is…. Thank God my editor is more detached! LOL Thanks … Barry RUBINOW.

The coercion within the FAA and pilots is so fucked up that it broke my heart. This pilot /doctor was so sad that I have no words for what I felt from him. We could not film him in the light and we will have to pitch his voice for fear that he will be so retaliated upon and loss his license.

Things are very bad when the FAA is sending you to an AA psychiatrist who is called a something …blah blah medical Sponsor with some silly other word preceding it. They charge $1,500. for one session. There are only 2 of them in Northern Cali. They force the pilots to go to an expensive $40,000 bullshit rehab called HAZELTON !!!!!!! filled with stepper shit….OMFG!

I want you to know this….You are not alone. There is an attorney who can help you. Please contact me for now and we  will begin to see how to handle all the emails.

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30 thoughts on “Suing Alcoholics Anonymous, your “EAP” employer, 12 step rehabs and your Insurance Company that pays for a religious 1930’s never updated peer support groups. No Mental Heath and NO real Health Care provided there ma, so whats the deal? What can you do?

  1. ok my first two major questions –

    1. Do those entering rehab sign away their rights to prosecute anyone for anything at the rehab or treatment center?

    2. Is full disclosure of the nature of the “treatment” and its success rates, etc prior to “treatment” required or governed by any specific regulatory body in the US?

  2. Even when people do sign certain contracts, that contract can be considered void if it looks like the other side had the upper hand and also if the person was negligent. Some things you just cannot sign away, but it plants a seed in the persons mind that maybe they cannot. Did they have false advertising etc?

    Mandating Pilots, doctors, and nurse is just ludicrous and needs to STOP!

    Thanks Monica for all that you do.

  3. Your welcome ! Each time I fly now I’m going to try to give my pamphlet to every pilot and every flight attendant that I can to see if I can get more of them to talk to me
    I’m at the airport now and I’m excited to get more interviews

    • Bless you lady, I was in Louisville over the weekend, but it was for a dog agility trial. I guarantee you every dog there was more polite than what you encounter.

      • what ? why didn’t you call me. Agility trial. I have a Australian shepherd …actually I was available for a few hours after the meeting we went to . Then we were packed. Wish we could have met.

        • I hadn’t been on the web in days and had no clue you were in our “big city”. Sorry for the missed opportunity 🙁

          There were lots of pretty Aussies there, talented too. I could have used a break from the trial, since me and my BC girl were a wash-out, but I’ve figured out why, and it’s my bad, LOL.

          An ironic thing regarding my hobby is that one of my agility classes is on the same night as the meeting my husband still attends, gives him a great excuse when they ask about me. They are good people in this group (rare) but the rhetoric still gets me down. My mate understands that now, which is progress. (He actually likes the Orange Papers and agrees with a lot of it, especially the history and cover-ups).

          • Since he is reading the Orange Papers and actually agrees with some of it, it will start to bother him over time. The concept of Principles Before Personalities is not originally from AA and it is a good motto for life. Once the true principles of AA and its founders become glaringly obvious, his brain will need to reconcile the disparity between the brainwashing lies and reality and he will eventually have to make a choice whether to stay or not. Yes, there are some “nice” people in AA, but, for me, that was not enough of a reason to continue in an organization that is built on deceit and manipulation and is actually dangerous to my psyche and personal actualization. I never aspired to be what AA tries to make me be and my true self broke free and it wasn’t easy, but it was ever so worth it.

  4. Well, another nice, sweet, socially awkward kid from the AA looney bin kills somebody and wounds others.

    When are people going to realize that putting people in AA can have disastrous results??! The “psychic change” their indoctrination forces on people has very unpredictable results. The 12 Step model is not medicine, nor science, but religious wackadoodle horseshit faith-healing nonsense that fucks some people up more than others. What we seem to know is this kid was not a killer prior to AA, but after AA indoctrination classes, he turned into one.

    Add this kid to the list with the kid in Seattle area AA that burned a house down with people in it a few years back. He was a “nice” kid in AA too. Even went to meetings before he committed his arson/murder. Excuse me, AA “classes”. Somebody needs to set that reporter straight on what AA “classes” really means.

  5. spj- Oh dear GOD! He is in AA. Yea I hate when they call them AA classes. I always contact them and let them know but….

    Anyway …thanks spj for posting this story.

    • I contend that if the public knew the correlation between AA and death events like murder and suicide, they would be appalled AND furious !

      There is no coherent response from AA apologists and supporters on these death events and there is a direct correlation. Not a killer or dead before AA exposure, but a killer or dead after AA exposure. Apologists and supporters say it is complicated and I say it is simple – get people real help and not the nonsensical faith-healing wackadoodle shit that is AA and the 12 Step model.

      Every rehab that has done follow-up has to have seen this correlation, but its not what they care about. I can hear the 12 Step yahoo on the phone for follow-up now.

      “oh, he killed himself? Was he sober when he shot himself in the head?”

      “She is in prison for murder? Is she sober in prison? Is it continuous sobriety?”

      All they care about is their perspective. They are not open and honest and caring about anything else. “Some must die so that others can live” is their reasoning, when they should be considering their part in murders and suicides. But, if they know they kill people – one way or the other – the party would be over, so let’s not look there, shall we? Wilson knew he killed people with his religious nonsense, but the PR got ahead of the reality and now we are where we are and trying to show the world how nonsensical the approach really is. The best thing to do is shutter AA and retire the 12 Step model for treatment so this shit doesn’t continue. Good luck getting THAT to happen. A huge faux treatment ecosystem of faith-healing horsehit is embedded in an entire country and spreading to the rest of the world. What a f*cking medical and scientific disgrace !!

  6. spj- I agree. Over these past few months of 3 years work on the film The 13th Step, it has only been these past few months that i know get how embedded AA and its shithole fake”program” is overtaken and controlling medicine, legal and the FAA…treatment, education , everywhere…in our media , TV and Film…YUCK !!!!!!!
    DUI sentencing. But we now have an attorney in LA , that if yu get a DUI he can rep you and he can say I have a conflict of interest. I am suing AA. !!!:))))))) SO my client can not be forced there. Instead they get a day at a MADD class.. Sweet>>>>>>>>

    We will be calling Michelle Obama and filming it as to why a religion is being promoted on the http://www.whitehouse.gove website. I will also contact the ACLU to help get it taken down.

    Wish me luck!

    • Massive – It is no surprise to me that AA is on the Whitehouse site, as the federal government is a big promoter of AA. For example, “The Puzzle Palace Group” holds AA meetings in the Pentagon and “Attitude Adjusters” holds daily meetings at noon in the House of Representatives’ Ford Office Buildings. More disturbing is 12 steppers can have a stranglehold on federal government security clearances since AA can be required for some to obtain/retain a security clearance – “Following diagnosis of alcohol abuse or alcohol dependence, the individual has successfully completed inpatient or outpatient rehabilitation along with aftercare requirements, participates frequently in meetings of Alcoholics Anonymous or a similar organization, has abstained from alcohol for a period of at least 12 months, and received a favorable prognosis by a credentialed medical professional or a licensed clinical social worker who is a staff member of a recognized alcohol treatment program.”

      • Omfg this is horrible ….news I can’t believe it , but thank you for letting me know how bad it is .
        After I interviewed one of my sources, she received many calls and texts … And they threatened it kill her !
        I can’t wait to be done and release the film! It’s really a cesspool. The town I was just in makes Los Angeles look like Disneyland.

        • Threats of violence and death are very common in the world of AA, and especially to those that would expose the fraud that the whole thing is. I think violence is common in that world for two main reasons.
          1. AA/NA has become( maybe always was) a cesspool of criminals and the mentally ill and there is ample evidence of that. Violence is a common method to dealing with “problems” in those communities, hence it carries over into AA/NA. People that should be locked up are in AA/NA, right next to Sammy homemaker, ( like the androgynous name? 🙂 and that alone should concern people.

          2. The overarching threat of death and life destruction is common in AA and in AA literature. Death becomes an interwoven part of their psyche from hearing about it all the time. Contrast that with SMART where the threat of death and the use of death as a routine possible outcome is rare and only mentioned when it seems appropriate and not as a psychological hammer to maintain compliance.

          In many ways, AA can be considered a cult of death with Satan as the higher power. “Believe in me ( hey,anything you want) to avoid impending doom/death and live happy, joyous and free while spreading my word.” True Judeo-Christian believers see that very, very clearly.
          I am not religious, but just sayin as a now outside observer.

          For AA and steppers to be so ingrained in the government is truly scary shit. So, if AA is a substitute for incarceration, then key people in government are in AA instead of being in jail AND some percentage of them are suicidal and homicidal as we have seen time and time again. Maybe Dr Drew should pay them a visit and do some of his world famous counseling that directly leads to the culling of the weak minded by their suicide. He seems pretty adept at that.

  7. I think the aspect of it secretly ingrained and accepted by high government officials is frightening .
    I went see James Taylor last night and I sat next to a couple whose daughter is in AA two years and was very disturbed by characters she saw at meetings too. This mother was disturbed by many other things as well. We talked a long time before the concert began and it never fails , wherever I go this happens .
    The thing I am beginning to think is this
    If a government never wated another civil rights movement they would love AA bullshit powerless philosophy embedded in their youth
    Brainwash them that they can Never fight ! Anything or anyone .
    Then brainwash them that the group is more important Always over them as an individual !
    Then bring in the heroin let the aa na criminals who the become counselors bring it into west lake village, Santa clarity’s, Nutley NJ, now open expensive rehabs costing 30k a month , preach 12 step nonsense and there you keep two generations in control . Drugged and when they are not drugged they are protalacuzing for the new powerless non fighting cause of shitheads anonymous.
    Now I know some readers here might think I’m getting paranoid , but honestly as I am interviewing parents of murdered children aka Karla , pilots , doctors and everywhere I go , uber drivers people on the plane next to me I see a pattern now . It would make a great screenplay but it’s upsetting to me that it’s peoples lives .
    In closing
    We know as AA insiders who have left that AA is Realy shrinking internally . So even if they keep sending people AA will become a shell of a fellowship and eventually there will only scumbags left there and newly appointed whatever
    It will collapse in on itself
    This came to me last night after talking once again to another mother
    Who is bringing the heroin in
    How are they connected to the rehabs
    Who owns them
    Who is making all the money?
    How do we expose it
    It’s a great film for Robert Redford
    Or Sean penn
    Happy Sunday common sense !

  8. I am a captain at a major airline. I am currently out on unpaid medical leave because my medical certificate, which is an FAA document pilots are required to have, was denied because a Dr. Chesanow, Chief Psychiatrist of FAA Aeromedical, labeled me an alcohol abuser. I had a dui in which I refused a breathalyzer test, and my refusal made me a marked man to the FAA. I have been offered the choice of entering the “HIMS” program, or sitting out for two years and reapplying for my medical, with no guarantee at that time that I’ll get it back. I have elected to not go the HIMS (government religion aka AA) route. I’m spewing nails I’m so disgusted by this cult. Does anyone know of a lawyer familiar with situations such as this? I’m not going to goddamn AA- it’s a cult, and I want no part of it.

    • Hello Rich… Massive brought your story to my attention recently. I am so sorry that they are taking you through all of the corruption which is the entire systemic infection of the 12 step cult into all professional organizations in America and abroad.

      I have learned so much about AA and its associated connections and affiliations that I am utterly disgusted by the depth and breadth of PURE CORRUPTION which is inherent within the entire twisted, dare I say, “institution” —ALL WITH THE SANCTION & APPROVAL OF OUR GOVERNMENT!

      It is pure bullshyt! My patience is GONE. They are worse than I ever, ever anticipated…I can promise you that the longer you look at it the clearer and UGLIER it will become.

      And you are SPOT ON about it all and I applaud your intelligence and tenacity at disallowing them to control you. I am certain that there are more pilots being threatened professionally as you have been; there MUST be! Some have succumbed (suffering in silence) and others are trying to stand up for themselves as you are.

      There is POWER in numbers Rich.

      Your post will help other professionals to see that they are not alone. Wow! Imagine if a group of you filed a class action suit against this illegal manipulation and annihilation of one’s hard-won professional career.

      It goes against EVERYTHING that we ostensibly stand for in this country. Is it true separation of Church & State when one is FORCED to participated in a religious cult to keep his job?

      Many professionals face this in and outside of the aviation world.

      Thank you for your courage and integrity…qualities that AA (HIMS) indoctrination would most assuredly tax and take away from you to be replaced with slavish dedication to their bogus system that is absolutely NO kind of treatment for anyone for anything…if they could. I am so glad that you REFUSE to allow them to do that to you!

      I admire you.

      You are not alone…and far from positive as you have shown us all here.

      Massive will know professionals who will be able to advise you appropriately on the legalities of this heinous situation.


      Check out my blog entry on pilots in AA (a.k.a. HIMS) I would love to know what you think as a pilot on the matters covered. SEE:

    • Rich- This needs to be made a national story! I have reached out to people I know who are journalists. Thank you for posting here. 🙂

  9. HI rich- Yes I know a lawyer. Are you in Cali….even if you are not John will talk to you. I will call him and tell him your situation. I would love to talk with you as I have added this aspect of AA coercion in my film that is now done.

    This is disgusting… I just got an email from another pilot. Is that you ?

    We are going to change this. I am going to change it. I will help you any way I can.

  10. I am one of the major airline pilots caught up in this absurdity, a senior captain in fact. Stay tuned for dispatches from the front. I’m going to fight these sons of bitches to the end.

    • RICH – WOO HOOOO we can fight them together. I m glad you found us and I look forward to the unfolding of outing the insanity that is going on in the courts, the FAA and our Medical community ! I won’t stop till we stop this and see this story go viral in all media and have you all get justice served against these AA assholes infested everywhere.

    • Rich I have been reading your story and feel so bad for you. I hope you do fight them to the end and please feel free to ask for help. So many people around here have knowledge and experience with the actual facts/cases of how AA is detrimental to society, soul and physical well being that I’m sure they would be happy to provide any of it to your lawyers.

      We are so late in the game in reeling in the AA machine that it will take work but hopefully, it will not be impossible.


  11. Thank you Rich for the courage to stand up for your civil rights! AA has absolutely no business manipulating public policy and perverting medical science!

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