32 thoughts on “The Shrinking Cult of Scientology

  1. Scientology is such an evil organization. Just like AA they have good people thinking they are doing the right thing- at least some of them, others know they are just trying to get your money. It is so sad how they control peoples lives to the extent that they tell them whether they can have children, usually the answer is NO! Because Scientology would have to support the children.

    I hope to see AA follow the same slow demise.

  2. im glad they got out of scientology. I know myself and one other in AA
    thought AA was like scientology. I thought at one time one of my x sponsors was also a scientologist.Or perhaps AA teachings were similar.

    i found a song, it’s a man singing, but if it was a woman,maby massive can do a cover of it…

    now that i have escaped from AA..


  3. agreed, all cults are harmful. Scientology damages the family not just emotionally but financially. You have to “buy” your way into going ” clear”.

    Where AA tells members to look at their part in something during their lifetime to the point of emotional abuse, Scientology takes it to a much higher level and tells you to find your part in your screwed up life from acts you did in previous lifetimes. So you are kinda screwed. If your life happens to be really messed up and you have emotional problems than you must of done some terrible deeds in your past lifes according to L. Ron Hubbard. Then Scientology keeps files on their members of everything they got them to confess to and uses it against them for as long as they are a member.

    AA sponsors keep your confessions in their head and also blab your misdeeds to others. Considering both are ANTI DRUG, it is amazing how much harm they inflict emotionally and financially.

  4. antid- wow that really horrible. I heard that they do that. In fact there was a book released a few years back on the Truth of what really goes on in Scientology. Scary.

  5. There is another book that came out this year called ” GOING CLEAR- Scientology, Hollywood, & the Prison of Belief” by author Lawrence Wright. He is a Pulitzer Prize winning author.

    I bought it but have not finished reading it yet. He did did over 200 interviews with both past and present Scientologists. Some entered the Church as children and signed billion year contracts. Another evil organization trying to hold onto members for life and beyond. In AA’s case they go after your children so they have multi generational AA members in a family considering they tell their children it is in their genes to become an alcoholic. So some kids think what the hell- I am already doomed!

  6. I was on a Grapevine forum late at night and there was a post that talked about how AA is declining fairly significantly after some years of growth. Their decline now seems to be common knowledge within the cult of AA. I remember sitting in meetings with ancient old timers and hearing them lament how if the meeting doesn’t get any younger blood, it is doomed. Well, AA is doomed. The internet, modern medicine, the new Recovery 2.0 movement, and its own ridiculousness and inefficacy are killing it. And about damn time too !!

    • Good for you sally.

      12 step is the only one that has gotten me. But I have seen into the world of both mormonism and Scientology. I have more mormon friends than any other single religon. I have been arround them all my life, and was in the mormon scouts for a short time before there was an incident.

      I can handle most mormons who were raised in that cult, because for the most part they are not believers at all. True believers in that faith though, are a sad sight for me, and I am aquainted with a few of those.

      And just like AA and scientology, true believers tend to be mentally ill people. They hide in these places, because their bizzare manner tollerated if not applauded.

      I am glad to hear you are done with religon and cults….. me too.

  7. i have put this on my facebook page…yes this man is right
    AA stay away from it..these people dont care about
    there members safety…and they are lieing when they say its not a controlling brainwashing cult..they also dont give a flying fuck about anyone who leaves or drinks again. they would walk by you if they saw you in the gutter.

  8. I finished work at 9pm,its my weekend off. I have been off weed for 3 days and nicotine for one day,i miss my cigs.I have been studying lot’s of things on orange papers
    and other things. i found this..i cant get the link to post,so posting the story.

    its a long one.
    when i left the mormon cult,i was in a bad way,with illness,my marrage breaking up,the death of my foster child,lots of other things. i also had lost my faith.i left there thinking i would be dammed,and also fall into drugs…And i did,i fell into hard drinking,weed and chemical drugs speed LDS. i was tortured in my mind.by thoughts planted by mormonisim. i thought i was dead at times and in hell. my life was very bad…i thought it was punishment for leaving church..eventually i was rushed into pycology and group therapies..
    where i was starting to get better..but i hit on AA..and they encouraged me to leave pycology…In my work with my male x sponsor i wasnt allowed to write much about things that happened to me. So i didnt get much out about the church. the first time i said something about it to him.and i forgot what i said but it was critical of the church..he snapped at me “Dont knock people that helped you” so after that the little i did say about the church was the good things about that time. That sponsor did not ever want to hear any resentments or anything that wasnt posative or good news. i couldnt speak of any problem either.infact i couldnt speak,i was to listen and since that man talked all the time but couldnt hear me when i spoke or spoke over the top of me..i didnt talk to him much at all..
    the longer i have kept out of AA ,and when i think back..the more i dislike that man. Yet for many years i admired liked and cared about him and his family.
    i see it all diffrent now.
    I had no one to turn to when i left church and no computer,i had not even heard of the internet..
    i didnt get the internet till some years into AA..thats when i started to get help around not only AA but also the other cult i had been in.
    i found this story from an ex mormon.it may interest some here.there is science in it.

    I was born and raised in the church, coming from a long line of Saints on my father’s side, while my mother was a convert. My experience growing up was similar to many Mormon males. I went to church every Sunday and faithfully attended my meetings. I passed, prepared and blessed the sacrament in accordance with my priesthood responsibilities, and graduated after four years of seminary. My high school friends used to call me “Eric the Mormon”, as I always tried to set a good example to others.

    The first struggle of faith I experienced was soon after I returned home from my full-time mission. I had dealt with chronic infections the throughout the two years (bacterial, viral, fungal), but what most bothered me was the digestive trouble. I acquired horrendous heartburn about half way through, which continued to worsen. I had taken every proton pump inhibitor and OTC bandage to keep my insides from dissolving apart, but nothing was working. To make a long story short, I discovered a diet system that vaguely contradicted the Word of Wisdom. I was required, per the advice of the book’s author, a Naturopathic physician, to eat according to my genetic/ancestral “type”. For me this meant high protein, low grain, zero wheat, and inclusion of beverages like green tea. What happened was that following this dietary advice completely eradicated every health problem I’d had since childhood. Problems for which I’d had countless priesthood blessings and made endless personal supplications to God. And for the first time in my life, man and science healed me when God could not.

    But due to my obedient nature, I didn’t want to start questioning the faith. From that time until I left the church (a span of 5 years) I had attended every week, paid a full tithe, gone to the temple, and held multiple callings. I was a home teacher, a sunday school teacher, a genealogy record extractor, an activities coordinator, and often participated in passing/blessing the sacrament. I held a temple recommend during those years, and read my scriptures every single day. Personal prayers were uttered twice daily, and I felt like I was well on my way to Celestial glory.

    The second challenge to my faith happened during my last semester at BYU-Idaho. I had done well at the school for about a year 1/2 until I moved into a freshman ward, where I seemed to experience multiple encounters with adolescent-minded tattletales. One in particular was a manic-depressive roommate. He turned me into the Honor Code enforcement office, where I was mandated to report once a week so they could check on my behavior. What was this all about? A bag of USDA Organic ground coffee. I liked the smell, so I kept a bag of beans in one of the kitchen drawers. Never drank it, just wafted the aroma. Well apparently this was enough to get under the radar, where I stayed until I eventually broke. I refused to comply with their demands, which included writing a three page essay explaining my love for the honor code, which was the only way I would be able to redeem my academic standing, so I dropped out.

    Though angered by Brigham, I was still OK with Joseph. The church itself hadn’t offended me; just those who professed under its name in Idaho. So I took about six months off and regained my sanity with the family back in Arkansas. Since my time in Rexburg had granted me Idaho residency, I decided to finish school at Boise State University, where I was luckily able to transfer without any problems.

    At BSU I became even more enraged at BYU, because for the first time in my life I attended a college where they treat you like a college student. The contrast was stunning. But just as stunning was when I realized that the student wards were the same as in Rexburg. Though I felt liberated and in control of my own life, every weekend reminded me that the church really is the same no matter where you go, whether for good or bad. I was hoping for an open-minded experience not just educationally but spiritually. BSU did a fantastic job of cleansing my academic palate, but the bitter cup was re-filled every time I went to church. More hypocrisy, more self-righteousness. It had bitten at me my whole life, but I finally had to confess that I simply did not fit in with Mormon culture.

    This confirmation was sealed and dried after the Summer of 2010, when I spent a few weeks in New York, followed by a trip to Europe. I ended up in Ireland when all my student loans became exhausted. So, in need of money, I set up a sort of health practice and depended on nutrition consulting to earn my Euros, while metaphorically living off the land. Though I had little cash and few friends, it was the most incredible experience of my life. I was supported by others who were simply looking after me from the goodness of their hearts, not motivated by any god or religion. I befriended dozens of individuals who operated wholesome and “Christ-like” lives not founded by any denomination. By the time I got home, my faith in the LDS world had stricken out, and I needed some answers.

    Almost as if directed by God, I picked up a copy of the school paper and turned straight to an article about Ex-Mormon Bishop Dan Fitzgerald. His words were penetrating, and I had to know how he went from Bishop to “apostate”. So I found him on Facebook and commenced a correspondence. Dan was happy to answer my questions, and directed me to postmormon.org. There I created the pseudonym “In the Closet” and began asking questions about denying the faith, and how one can leave behind the Book of Mormon while ignore prophetic counsel. Within minutes I was sent links to articles and videos, addressing these concerns. One after another, I watched video clips of lectures about the Book of Mormon, the Book of Abraham, the wives of Joseph Smith, the different versions of the First Vision. I’d never heard of any of this stuff in my life – the Kinderhook Plates, Mark Hoffman, the Masonic influence of the endowment session – and I was blown away. For the next two weeks all I did was read. Mormonthink.com was especially helpful, as it not only discusses each point of historical fallacy, but does so with the inclusion of apologetic statements from the church. After all, the site is owned and maintained by current members of the church, and therefore lacks a tone of “Anti-Mormon”, which I deliberately wanted to avoid. I needed facts, not emotions.

    To shorten yet another long story, I learned what most Ex-Mormons learned during their own departures from the church. I.e., truth. The untold history of the church, and portions that rock its credibility. I could understand where some of the points wouldn’t be significant enough to demolish one’s faith, but there was no doubt whatsoever after learning what happened with the Book of Abraham in 1967. This was the “smoking gun”, and left absolutely no room for excuses. I sent a letter of resignation to my local bishop and requested removal of my name from the records.

    Though subconsciously afraid of being taken over by evil, I felt the same “spirit” after leaving the church as I always had as a member. Satan never came knocking at my door, demons never tried to possess me, and I didn’t start smoking heroin. My prayers ceased, while the ratio of good to bad events happening in my life remained exactly the same. I was simply appalled by all of the stories I’d heard growing up about what happens to those who leave the church. Life went on just as it had before, but tremendously better. For the first time ever I felt 100% free, and could love people for who they were and not for their potential to become Mormon. I didn’t have to judge those whose lifestyles weren’t in
    accordance with mine. I could really connect with the world. I could really love, and really live.

    Things weren’t as bad as many stories I’d heard from others leaving the church, regarding the family unit. To my surprise, my older brother had ceased believing for years, though he never told anyone why he’d become inactive. He broke the ice for me, so my parents were far more understanding than they could have been. But the real problem was several months later, when they realized that I wasn’t kidding. I really left the church, and I wasn’t coming back.

    Regardless of the conflict and occasional family turmoil, I continue to experience life in more fulfilling ways than I ever have before. Leaving the Mormon church was the single best decision I’d made in my life, and I constantly reap the intellectual, emotional and social benefits. No longer to pledge loyalty to a group of bureaucratic leaders, I am able to expand my mind and enrich my life. The world that was once an evil place is now a fascinating and enchanting realm of people, culture and exciting new discoveries. All I can say to those who judge LDS after leaving the church is to remember the often quoted Matthew 7:16. “By their fruits ye shall know them.” Life is amazing.

    My name is Eric and I’m an Ex Mormon.

    Links that Eric found helpful:
    Book of Mormon translation

    IRR’s DVD “The Lost Book of Abraham” which they sent me for free but can be watched here.

    Theory as to the origins of the Book of Mormon: Video

    DNA, Geography, and the Book of Mormon: Video

  9. http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon505.htm
    incase any other AA’s come who have also got issues with the mormon church.
    this link will help around that.i know there is at least one other ex mormon
    in AA meetings where i live…he went to AA just as i was leaving AA..
    there may be more…there may be others who leave AA who have also left other cults such as scientology…and they will find help on the internet around other cults.

  10. Although I am in the process of leaving AA for good, I still go to my homegroup. I love that particular meeting as it is so laid back. The people who come are for the most part mentally healthy and don’t buy into the usual AAism rhetoric. In fact the last sponsor I had (who is one who doesn’t use the word sponsor and he even encouraged me that if I wanted to leave and try smart recovery, go for it) goes to the same meeting, he is a wonderful person. I actually have developed my own method that seems to work for me. Stripping the self analysis I learned in AA that both Christianity and Buddhism would encourage away from AA dogma, as well as making amends (when I have actually done something wrong, not silly things like I have heard such as apologizing for my dislike of someone but more like I owe money and I pay it back, but not because some book tells me it is so-because it is the right thing to do). Also volunteering in the community(going out of my way to not teach the steps but more like working at the homeless shelter where my help is legitimately needed). Also doing mantra chanting 2 hours per day and using NLP, exercise/eating right, and whatever rules dogmatic steppers try to shove down my throat-go to the ends of the earth to violate them. They say I MUST go to 7 meetings per week, only go to one(the point I am at now, proving them wrong on this by staying sober). They say I must put inventory in columns, ONLY do it in paragraph four. Cant call it a tenth step, ONLY call it a tenth step. Must have a sponsor, REFUSE to get a sponsor. I have had nosy people put me down for this openly, I openly refute them and then refuse to talk about it. Basically, do the opposite of all rules they invent. The longer I stay sober by “doing the opposite”, the more free I become until the day comes when I permanately stay away. Thanks for the space to come and talk about this. I have been one that defends AA despite agreeing with most stuff like this I read, but the time for me to take what was true in AA and leave the rest to reclaim my life and get around healthier people is quickly approaching. I need time to disprove many things so I will successfully be able to pull this off. I just want to avoid any hatred of AA, no matter which side hates the other(anti or pro). Do I think more often than not it degenerates into a cult despite some meetings being outstanding(like my home group where most of the really crazy ones stay away from probably due to lack of drama in our meeting), I think more often than not many meetings DO degenerate into a mind control cult. I don’t believe AA was ever intended to function like that due to how the Traditions read, but many times it does happen. When I leave I will miss being in a group like my home group, but I am outgrowing this world view. I will probably attend church groups (Unitarian or mainstream Christian) for the social aspect, go on trips, garbage pick up in town with other townspeople, and go on trips! It is going to be so much fun and so awsome sauce to be free:).

  11. One other thing. The part I left out is that my goal is still permanent sobriety as I do believe I am allergic to alcohol. The irony in this is that I believe the opposite about this allergy theory. They say in meetings that an allergy is an abnormal reaction-I don’t buy this. A hypersensitivity to a substance…yes. In other words as much as I used to drink, developing this alergy IS the normal reaction to a NARCOTIC. I denounce this nonsense about some big headed person pushing the idea that somehow I am special and unique due to my law breaking (public intoxication, not paying debts, etc etc) and childish behavior. I became addicted to a NARCOTIC, not me being better than so called “earth people” that if I allowed myself to just act my age and interact with them, to be a friend among friends then maybe I will see I am not so abnormal thereby removing all excuses to not act like a 35 year old man instead of a 12 year old in a 35 year olds body. Sorry for my miniature rant, that is all:)

  12. Not against people drinking, just don’t see a difference between alcohol, weed, or vicodan. Used all of them and being intoxicated on them feels similar enough from each other that it is hypocritical to consider vicodan or weed a narcotic but not alcohol. If people want to drink or smoke weed, have fun. Not part of my life and I refuse to tell people whether they should or should not drink or use, none of my business.

    • hey Alex,

      I think I agree with you in a way. I think a “Chemical Dependency disorder” is the same on all of these substances. To get away from the word “addiction”.

      But as I now moderate, I use alcohol and weed. And they are quite different, but I do agree that when I was using in a dependant way in the past, they were very much the same.

      Good luck fleeing the cult!

  13. loved the utube film here, Massive. I have seen a lot of them and read a LOT of the leaving Scio books. I had no idea you had this in the archives. Scio does some aggressive recruiting. It is almost impossible to say no to these bright, funny, free people who only want to sell you a communication course for $20. Very quickly, they will have you feeling you need the “tech” like your life depends on it. In my first few months, they had me visiting my great aunt way on the other side of town, and not asking her how she was doing, alone and living life as an older person, but asking for money! For the courses you really need and they are thousands of dollars, and you are an unemployed college drop-out, because they picked you up on the street because you were having a bad day of a really bad year! They had me visiting my uncle 3 nights in a row because he was surely weakening by then in giving me 5 thousand !! Since your family has no intention of giving you this money because first of all, they are really worried about you, and second of all, they don’t know what to do about it, you end up working for Scientology for almost nothing, and in exchange you never really get much Scio “counseling” which is really called auditing, and it really is like it was portrayed in the movie The Master. Auditing may give you a temporary high, like an AA meeting, but there is no lasting change. In either cult. In AA, you strive to be a wise old timer, with it all together and enlightened; in Scientology, you are really ambitious too, striving to be a high level auditor and progress up the bridge to total freedom, achieving the classification of clear, and then beyond into the OT levels (operating thetan) (thetan meaning your pure spirit). I really wanted those things. The going is so slow though…..you start to get disillusioned, and then you make a halfhearted attempt to leave, then it’s all over because you are a total pariah, an SP (suppressive person), the worst possible insult! Then you just leave in shame and disgrace and then they call you to come back, and then you have to leave town to keep yourself from going back. Then you are haunted with guilt for a long time because the principles have been ingrained deeply. Drinking, drugs, nothing can ease this guilt, til some decent person publishes an antiScientology book and you start to come out of it. I never knew of the horrible abuses at the Flag Land Base or the Sea Org, this was a local mission, but it was abusive enough and the viciousness trickled down to us. I still like some of my Scio friends although I never saw any of them again; but others I cannot forgive because they manipulated me and never made an amend and threw my life way off course. They have probably all dropped out themselves now. Most of us were truly idealistic. The 2 cults are similar in that they have this air-tight thought system, supplying you with an answer for everything; they have steps to enlightenment; and they take over your time and your life; and they make you really afraid of the outside world without them. I feel happy to have left. I enjoy life now, even the problems and hardships, cause that’s real life and that’s real freedom.

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