THINKING about LEAVING AA? WHY- What just happened? Feeling stuck?

AA meeting reenactment

So your in AA a few years, a few months a few decades and something feels just wrong. What is it?

Are you tired of Chapter 5 ? Holding hands with strangers? Listening to the same people share the same story from 30 years ago. Why did you leave. What helped you when you left?

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60 thoughts on “THINKING about LEAVING AA? WHY- What just happened? Feeling stuck?

  1. I joined AA following rehab in 2012 and attended for about 10 months. I had recently gone through a series of tragedies in my life and chose to deal with my problems by abusing alcohol after a 30 year break. Shortly before I returned during the midst of the chaos in my life I had an accident at work in which I was severely injured. I was put on hydrocodone to deal with the pain and required it for months since my original doctor botched my first surgery and I had to wait a long period to be assigned a new doctor who actually knew what he was doing. Looking back I believe I became addicted to the pain killers because it helped me forget about the emotional pain I was going through. Once I no longer needed the painkillers, however, I stopped taking them and replaced them with alcohol in order to obtain the same goal. Shortly after my husband of 29 years and I separated (not because of alcohol as the marriage had been over for years) I realized I had a problem. I recognize that others who realized the same thing and suggested AA and rehab meant well, but for me personally AA was a major mistake. I was a depressed individual when I entered rehab on the verge of a breakdown and AA only drew me closer and soon I was visiting institutions for the first time in my life and had one suicide attempt while in the program. Obviously, the whole avoiding “Jails, institutions, and death,” was having the opposite effect on me. I asked to leave rehab after the first meeting in which I was coherent. I had really bad withdrawals and my detox lasted five days of which I remember little. When I read step one I realized I had made a mistake. I in no way believed I was powerless over alcohol. I had quit 30 years prior while also abusing alcohol with very little problem. I never attended AA a day in my life and knew very little about it. I was told if I left rehab that I would be responsible for the entire bill as I would be leaving against medical advice. Since I was now separated and had moved to care for my mother and had not found employment yet and was dead broke, I didn’t know what else to do but stay. As a Christian I had a major problem with the whole concept that a power greater than yourself can be whatever you make it and also from my first day being coherent I felt uncomfortable as a result. I soon figured out that the guy leading our so-called meditation session was a Buddhist and I requested to be able to not participate in this event as it was against my beliefs. I said I would read my Bible in my room and pray during this period and I was given a flat no and once again had the insurance threat thrown at me. “Don’t participate in the program and we will let your insurance know. “ So much for freedom of religion! Anyways, three weeks later after some brainwashing, I began believing some of the nonsense. However, months later, three visits later of being admitted to institutions for major depression, I finally came to my senses. During rehab I was too depressed to actually read the Big Book in my free time, but then I got a very controlling Sponsor who made me read the book to her. What she didn’t know at the time was this would lead to my exit from the program. As I read the Big Book, I found more than one statement in this big book of lies that contradicted to the Bible. That feeling I had of something is really wrong from day one was for real. Soon I began looking into the lives of the founders, it’s early pioneers, and primarily Bill Wilson and Dr. Bob. I also looked into who Wilson received some of his ideals from and I ended up drawing a far worse conclusion than I anticipated, I had unknowingly joined a cult. I’m sure there are many who would disagree, however, I would encourage them to do the same in depth research I did. For the record, I have a degree in History and I’m sure this had some influence on how I chose to deal with the issue. By the time I left, which was primarily because of my religious beliefs, I was already growing tired of much about the program anyways. I had grown very tired of hearing the same slogans, stories, and readings read repeatedly. I was very hurt when a couple of gurus in the program told me the reason I was not happy, was depressed, and not living the so-called promises, was because I must not be working the program properly. I guess the fact that I had lost four loved ones in one year, experienced the end of a marriage a year later, and now was without a job and very scared and insecure had nothing to do with anything? It had to be me not working this nonsense program that was the issue all along. As soon as I left my depression began to slowly heal. I got real help, this time for my depression and from a counselor who was not a fan of 12-Step programs. Soon I found a job and thankfully it has been one I truly enjoy and for me it has been a great benefit that has brought me new hope. I stay close with my adult son’s and my mother and have made many new friends at work. I plan to resume a hobby I once truly enjoyed before my accident and that is lap swimming. My arm was in a cast for almost a year because the injury was severe and also not originally treated properly and I had to take a break. Exercise has always helped me and I especially love swimming. Leaving AA was hard, but today the thought of ever returning is even worse.

    • I am so glad you are doing so much better now! It was my experience that I didn’t receive appropriate diagnosis for my anxiety and depression because I self-medicated with alcohol. The root of my problem fell to the wayside in favor of the Big Book.

      I wish the mental health profession would wake up to how often this happens.

      You are also an example of how the assumption that only “belligerent atheists” (as AA sees atheists) have trouble with AA. For you the God deal was interference in your heartfelt beliefs by an insistence that you adopt different beliefs.

      • Thanks, I appreciate your support. Too many in the medical profession assume that your depression is a result of your alcoholism. However, often it is ones depression that often leads people to self medicate with alcohol. Also, in different articles and books I have read I’ve noticed that it is usually atheists that have a problem with the higher power concept in AA. I guess I am rare in this respect, but I wonder if there might not be more that feel this way than we realize. Oddly enough, my next store neighbor quit the program for the same reason I chose to leave. After leaving AA I read a pretty good book titled, Christianity and Alcoholics Anonymous: Competing or Compatible? written by David L Simmons and released in 2012. The author did not become a Christian till sometime after he was very involved in AA. After accepting Christ he began to see some of the contradictions in the Big Book and soon began to realize some of the exact things I did, drew the same conclusion, and left. The book made me realize I wasn’t alone. By the way like your codename as I have my second Border Collie and am crazy about them.

        • You are not different in recognizing your religious beliefs are incompatible with AA at all, it is just the perception that only an Atheist would have an issue, I believe. I knew a Buddhist lady who left because people did not hear her actually saying the Lord’s Prayer while holding hands at the end of meetings, and questioned her about it. There is pressure to conform no matter what a person’s beliefs are.

          Glad to meet another BC lover! Nothing like them, amazing, furry souls.

    • jaswim-
      Oh boy- wow I just read your post ….I – too am glad you are okay today and found this blog….I created it so that we could find each other as we leave, left or ….like me still have something to say about it all LOL.

  2. When I was in AA for about 10 years, I started noticing that all the normal people I’d know over the years all left the program. It dawned on me that all the successful people leave AA, usually in the first two years but almost always by five, and that the only ones who are left over are the crazy ones. Anyone with more than 10 years of AA sobriety has some serious issues which they are avoiding.

  3. I’m well shot of AA and a recent encounter I had with a stepper has well and truly vindicated my decision to quit that nonsense. I have known this person for about six months and he has been going to AA for the past three months via a day programme which is 12-step based and has now graduated from that programme.
    Recently, he took it on himself to castigate me for giving my contact details to a person who is not in 12 step recovery, justifying himself by warning me that I was putting myself at risk! Quite apart from the fact that he does not know my circumstances, he takes it upon himself to offer me unsolicited advice as to whom I can associate with. This was a guy who entered this day programme as he was not confident of facing the big bad world abstinent without the need for support (not that unreasonable actually).

    I just don’t get it with that damn programme. Just how does it insinuate itself into the mindset of an individual so as they wind up parroting psychological hazardous waste, whilst piror to encountering AA they may have just been wanting a helping hand or two in order to surmount the perils of early recovery? How come this programming happens so fast?

    • I think it was designed this way from Frank Buchman who created the mind control evangelical Religious group The Oxford Groups. I have wondered the same thing Paul——Its fast—-the programming —–even me—-at age 18 —- after I was no longer vulnerable and was preyed on twice —-why didnt I leave and say ” fuck you assholes”

      Did I need to belong somewhere —–so badly—-Its the double talk.

      “Take what you like and leave the rest ” with those stupid smiles and they all nod their heads in unison as they read Chapter 5 —- I think the early radio shows — where we tear up the big book – helped me deprogram live on the radio. It was alot of fun .

      Then after they tell you to take what you like and leave the rest they tell you ” you must work the first part of the first step 100 % or you cant get the whole program. This was when I cocked my head to the left and said WHAAAAAAAAAT the F****KKKKKKKK—–

      Still …I didnt leave after being really screwed by way older men and women who sat by and did nothing. I was 19 years old.

      If the internet existed back then and a blog like this existed I would have been able to leave. OMG —-

  4. “Psychological hazardous waste” perfect description of the negative impact that AA brainwashing has on a humans mind. Feeling stuck and around screwed-up people did it for me along with the dishonesty and the money-aspect of it. I am still amazed at how brain-washed I was even though I had an inkling something was wrong with it all. My mind was split between my true thoughts and AAs induced brainwashing jargon so I had to make a hard decision to follow my true thoughts & feelings even though it was very fearful and still is. I am glad I put myself first and not Wilsons fear-based horseshit.

    • So, bitter, you guys don’t sound very happy to me, do you ever feel you can put your experience behind you or do your feelings about an alcohol recovery program dominate your lives? Look forward, not back. Do you guys all drink now?

      • Luke- I am a way happier than I was when I was in that AA crap. FYI I don’t drink alcohol nor use drugs but according to your mind I must be and I must be unhappy, you are so wrong my friend. As for looking back well thats all it was in AA/NA looking back constantly at your past but since I left that circus I enjoy the present more. So luke does that answer your brainwashed little mind?

        • Waspy with it too… Nope, I must say you disguise your happiness very well and if you hated looking back why are you still doing it? It’s cool that you are not drinking.

          • Luke- Why are you on here? Hoping to convert us? I look back in contempt at my time in that cult but I live happily in the present without that crap in my life, in fact I am getting my life back. Deal with it luke not everyone loves your beloved program.

            • Bitter, you would make a lousy psychic, telepath, whatever – cult? Program? Nah, I am just fascinated by the drivel I chanced upon here. Tell me how you live happily in the present? “bitter” does not jive with happy.

              • luke- Bitter is an ironic name I use , it is a beer in some countries, bitter at AAs horseshit but not bitter about my life and myself now. Like most brainwashed steppers irony seems lost on you. You seem to jump to conclusions about people you never even met but thats another aspect of the them(bad) us(good) brainwashing in the cult. btw luke you make me more happier as I can see where I used to be and how unhappy I was, keep up the good work son.

        • Luke, first off I am a lot happier since I left the program. Secondly, did it ever occur to you that those who have been harmed by the program might need support? Third, if you want to live in the past spend 5 minutes in an AA meeting. Fourth, Yes, I do drink again, but this time in moderation. I don’t have a stupid allergy, I am not powerless, and I don’t approve of program that flat out lies to you and years later gets the approval of the American Medical Association so doctors can collect insurance money. You realize this same association is now calling obesity a disease? Could it be because in recent years surgeries and other procedures have developed that can help patients and that insurance sure comes in handy. I have 3 beers a week on my days off and don’t give me that bull I heard in meetings that I must have never been an alcoholic to begin with as someone who had withdrawals so bad that I had to spend five days in detox, I think I most definitely was addicted. I personally just don’t see addiction as a disease, but a choice, and today my choice is to be responsible and moderate. Finally, Luke, you know darn well you didn’t just chance upon this site, that is pure nonsense. So tell me why do people like you waste your time on sites such as this one? Your precious program is filled with deceit and lies. If I believed what I heard a hundred times in my short stay in AA, I would believe I had nothing but “Jails, Institutions, and Death” ahead of me. Crazy thing is the only time I saw institutions and almost death were during my short stay in that pathetic program. Sure would be nice if our country would stop living in the Dark Ages when it comes to Recovery and actually develop a plan that actually helps people with addictions and addresses the cause that leads people to abuse. However, as long as 12 Step Recovery programs practically have a monopoly on rehabs, though were starting to see improvement, were stuck with a program that works for so few. I assure you the billion dollar rehab industry does not want to see change and it would come as no surprise to me if your not a counselor of one yourself. I’m not living in the past. I see a serious problem with the treatment of addiction, I was hurt instead of helped during a time I needed it most, and I visit this site because I support anyone who is trying to bring about better changes in the future and makes people aware of the dangers of the program. I only wished I had, as you like to say, chanced upon this site, before I checked into rehab.

      • Luke,
        I’d rater learn from normal people in society than damaged people in a closed setting any day. It’s reality that I seek, not more crsazy-making!

    • Bitter – Isn’t it crazy how you have both of these narratives operating in your mind at the same time? On one hand, you have all these wacky slogans popping into your mind all the time, and at the same time, you know this stuff can’t be true. What did it for me was running into people who escaped the cult and whose lives were a million times better for it.

      • Michael- Thats another reason I left when I saw people happier and getting on with their lives when they left that crazy glue-pot, while the people who were still in it were getting crazier & angrier.

  5. I am much happier being gone from AA as well Luke- meister….

    Yes I can drink now normally – FYI – most of us who stopped when we were young actually can ….we many of us turned out to be super moderates after 37 years of not drinking….We are very free and happy. and yes can have one or two glasses of wine. One beer , one drink ….laugh, and be social… Gone from AA -4 & 1/2 years, imbibing for over 3 years now. I have very healthy habits in place from decades of not drinking. I also got to the core of what I over drank as a teen with a real therapist of 22 years ago.

    AH the joy to never go to another church basement to sit with sex offenders and pedophiles and bullying AA old-timers.

    Move along Luke— you know dame well you are just trolling… Rowdy RUM on FACEBOOK of waiting fro you to join them. HAHA :_)

  6. Like the site. Been reading occasionally for some months.

    I left NA after eight years. It’s a long story, but there were some markers along the way.

    First, I was involved in service work, and one of the things I noticed was that the people in the rooms were averse to any kind of book knowledge. It seemed like they had to learn everything the hard way, from personal experience. There were, of course, the 12 traditions and a number of booklets on Public Information (PI) and Hospitals and Institutions (H & I). But these booklets were irrelevant to these folks. Perhaps I was a bit rigid on some of these issues, but the mentality I encountered was difficult for me to fathom. I really felt different.

    Early in “recovery,” I got a master’s degree in psychology. Actually, I started out strong. Then my sponsor kept harassing me to ease up on my course load. He was concerned that I was stressing myself out and risking relapse. I’ve always wanted (no, yearned, actually obsessed) about getting a PhD. Sadly, I’ve never gotten the Ph.D. In “recovery,” I was too afraid to stress myself out. Actually, despite my age, I’m working on some applications (finally!) for next year. I noticed, around the time that I left, that I knew 4 people in the rooms who worked on a doctorate. Three dropped out. One did graduate, but he did so during a five or six year hiatus from the rooms. (He also disappeared after a few weeks of attendance). I did know several doctors in recovery, but all had completed their educations prior to “recovery.” This observation led me to question several things: One, if recovery wasn’t helping me to achieve my major career goal, then what good was it? Two, if recovery is about improving a person’s overall level of functioning, then it would seem that plenty of people would accomplish major life goals after “recovery,” not before.

    I met my wife in the rooms. I waited the suggested year and asked her on a date almost immediately afterwards. She had a little more time than I had, but not much. My wife wanted to leave long before I did. There were a number of issues that “recovery” interfered with. Rather than the two of us discussing things intimately and coming to our own conclusions, we always seemed to have the voices of the people in the program interfering. I was especially to blame. On any number of issues, I should have been listening to my wife instead of my sponsor. This coincides with another observation I made. Almost no couple in “recovery” lasted longer than ten years, and that was a long stretch. Something about the group interference and the overall immaturity of people was counter to lasting relationships.

    As my wife left the program (and I was in a panic), she made the comment, “I wouldn’t have even used with those people.” That was the ultimate cut down. At the time, I thought she was just being vindictive. But a decade later, I realize she had a point. It’s not that they were bigger addicts than we were. It’s that, even in the depths of depravity, we each had standards. Over the years, the people in the program tested the limits of our standards. They lied. They stole. They cheated. We were not perfect. But we weren’t like that. And we paid the price for their friendships. They dragged us down. And we hurt because of it. Honestly, I hit a lower bottom in “recovery” than I did when I was using. I lost everything.

    Thankfully, I’ve been able to get most of it back. But it hasn’t been easy.

    I would like to say that I did get some things from the program. Taking my own inventory is, not always, but often a useful tool. I had no spirituality and now I do, but I must admit that I currently find the contentless form of HP spirituality as void, destructive, certainly not something that a person can pass on to his children. But overall, the program was only helpful for a year, two at most. It was only fear that kept me from leaving sooner.

    • Burning bridges- Great post.

      So many I things I related to . You said “As my wife left the program (and I was in a panic), she made the comment, “I wouldn’t have even used with those people.”

      I said that many times to myself.

      I left before my husband. He had 17 years. I had 36 years, …I had no idea that he was scared when I Left. Later he told me. I think there are alot of Couple that have left. I met quite a few making the film .

      One more thing- you are a great writer. I gasped when I read that you didnt get a PhD- I could feel how you felt through the page here. There were a couple of old timer women like me and when we first left we….actually she joked about how she an dI could have written a few books by now, Got a couple of degrees from college if we had not wasted so much time and energy in AA>

      She was right. I left AA, took a Documentary film class at The UCLA extension and Made a movie, went to CANNES and won a few awards. I’m in the film, my music is in the film and it took me leaving AA to reach some of my long life dreams.

      Thanks again for writing! Are you and your wife still together?

  7. Good post, I get what you are saying about the faux concerns you describe in respect of your studies. I had something similar whereby it was “suggested” that maybe studying at higher education level wasn’t a good idea, given the ol slogan your best thinking got you here etc indicating that any prior decisions to aa were redundant and at best ego driven fanciful “thinking”. So the go to advice was to let go and let god and not fight which is a 1st class ticket to procrastination, the nemesis of many a student and quite possibly myself included. In my letting go and all that, days went by waiting for some divine inspiration. It never happened and I had to crank out loads of work which saw me fail some of the necessary assignments.

    Luckily I had a real eureka experience of simply thinking “hang on a minute” in relation to aa.

    I stopped going pretty much straight away, booked to see a counsellor, CBT therapist to help get rid of the attitude of platitude in my head and get on with life. Glad to have gotten out, it is incredibly freeing to be free of doubt after many years of exposure both in aa meetings and as a person who grew up with parents disappearing off into the pink clouds of aa too. I found something similar too with doing a step 4 although getting stuff out on paper, I believe, only helped with the CBT work, counselling and just getting on and doing without the need to ring a sponsor and waste time going to meetings when I didn’t really want to nor need to.

    Best wishes with moving forward, stay safe and be well

  8. I have to say that the 4 th step and 5th steps were very harmful to me as an 18 and 19 year old. They made me feel worse about myself. Not until I was 4 years sober met another women who was 10 years my senior, we became besty friends back then , and it was that friendship that made me feel okay.

    But you have the right to have gotten something out of it. 🙂

  9. I had depression (dual diagnosis according to the psych lol) so doing step 4 wasn’t well placed to meet my needs as I’m sure you know from other peoples stories. I get my down days from time that’s par for the course however it doesn’t mean I’m not working a good enough program or I need to redo a step or do more service etc. Like today, for example, sometimes simply going for a walk is good enough, no god this and god that and cognitive dissonanace and walking around all squinty eyed and bothersome 🙂

  10. Thanks for the nice replies, especially the comment on my writing, something I’ve been working on for some time now.

    Yes, my wife and I did get back together. We were separated for around three years, and we’ve been back together now for fourteen years.

    I think the point was that we would have never separated in the first place if it weren’t for the 12-step fellowship. Our relationships with people in recovery were a wedge to the intimacy in our marriage. The other point is that we would have never gotten back together had I not left the 12-step movement. I was doing the math on my way to work this morning. I have now been post-recovery, 17 years, for twice as long as I was in recovery, 8 years and some change. And in response to that troll Jake: Yes, my life is infinitely better now. Perfect? No. But way, way better. What a dolt! If my life weren’t better, hey, I’d go back. I’m not an idiot!

    I liked what Jaswim had to say. Perhaps some people have been damaged by AA and other fellowships. Maybe that’s why there is a need to discuss some of these feelings.

    For me, I think there were two things that drew me here after all these years. One, I was turned down for a promotion yesterday for a job as a drug and alcohol administrator. Let me clarify. I work in mental health, but I also work in corrections. Back in the day, I worked shortly as a D&A counselor but left quickly because it was clear to me that those people are nuts. Anyhow, I have remained discrete about my ex-AA/NA membership in relation to my career. There are just too many narrow-minded bigots in the field, not even counting those in “recovery.” To announce my ex status would be to put a target on my back. Hence, I’m “closeted,” if you will excuse the analogy. I came into the interview, however, with full guns blaring. The person who got the job is not an alcoholic, but a dogma spewing idiot. Annoying. Part of me was hoping to get the job because I thought I might be able to enact some subversive measures on a field that needs to be torpedoed. Oh well.

    The other was that I recently went to my elderly mother’s birthday party. It hit me pretty hard. I have no real maternal feelings toward my mother. Sure, she put food on the table and all that, but basically she abandoned me emotionally and educationally. AA taught me to say, “she did the best she knew how to do,” which is true and was helpful for a period. But eventually, I had to get more real.

    The interesting thing about these feelings of abandonment is that I think they are the crux of why most people join AA and NA. If people joined because of alcoholism or drug addiction, there would be a lot more people in the meetings. No, people join because they feel abandoned. It’s been so long that I forget the number of the tradition–was it the 7th?–“the only requirement for membership.” Well, AA and NA are groups that cannot abandon you. All you have to do is have a desire to stop drinking and/or using. After that, these people will be your “friends” forever. That was a very powerful thing to me. Seductive, really. Cultish. I, and many others, used drugs and alcohol largely because I felt alone and abandoned. Going to the meetings was the antidote to that. But it was all based on a lie.

    Eventually, I had to come face-to-face with my loneliness and abandonment. It helped that I had a few people–real friends–who understood. But by and large, this was an individual process for me. I didn’t need some group to fill the void. I needed to feel these feelings honestly and without judgment. Only then could I move on. I couldn’t find that in AA or NA.

    • bernie bridges- hit the nail on the head for me again …I too was not connected to my mom – emotionally – sad- My DAD – more/////
      But I was looking for a family. I had one but….you can read my story in Gabrielle Glaser NY TIMES BEST SELLER “HER BEST KEPT SECRET” …I AMD CHAPTER 6 ….

      I really understand what you are saying here. Glad you got back together with yur wife.

      The stuff about working ” in the field….holy shit….you should talk to Dr Marc Kern who runs MM now. They are in all those positions. Im sorry you didnt get the job. Steppers are hiding everywhere. I like being “out”..and I mean really out and people know we drink now in the Biz and you can see the divide between sober actors and writers and us. There really are more of us …ex er’s and normal people who silently hate Steppers and silently hate AA. There are 350 million Americans. There may be 800k AA members.

      But they all have friends and family who think AA saved that persons life. SO how many stepper lovers is that ????? Five million… I dont know.

      We need some famous folks to come out and say that AA is bullshit and not medicine and not science and not therapy . Until then my TV and Movies are infested with their bullshit.

      Welcome Bernie and again I love your writing style. 🙂

  11. AA/NA has this one size fits all method which is harmful to people dealing with their own issues. Everybody is different and coming from different places but to lump everyone as having the same problem is cultish. The reason AA/NA gives is a lack of God and spirituality in a persons life and that is why people have problem’s “that is of their own making” according to that stupid cult. Yet you have priests.pastors and religious people in AA/NA so how did they have a lack of God and spirituality problem?… The “friends forever” crap seduced me as well but I as others found that to be a crock of shit as these “friends” will drop you as soon as you question their beloved program. 99% of the “friends” in the rooms I found were saying one thing and doing another, others were sick and creepy and a lot had backgrounds that were criminal in a sick way. I don’t judge people with criminal backgrounds but sex offenders and violent crime I do but due to being brainwashed for years in that cult I thought that now that these scumbags were “sober” and going to meetings they are ok now!!

    • Yes, the program is a one size fits all solution, but it kind of makes sense when you consider that pretty much all the early AAers were basically carbon copies of each other. They were all deeply religious (coming from the Oxford Group), middle/upper middle class WASP males. And most were middle-aged and from the Northeast.

  12. Jeff- good point-

    Gabrielle Glaser makes this point in my film The 13th Step as well. Its important. They use to screen people before they let them in the group in the old days. They Fucking SCREENED THEM>>>>>>>NOW COURTS order Violent and sex offenders there and AA in NY did nothing to warn its members and warn the public? …And …they were warned by Me twice, with 9 page letters ( signed by other AA members) and a Board Member Paul Cleary- ( he wrote an 8 page letter that I read to my women’s group)
    Then they voted to DO NOTHING !!!!

    Fuck them…They deserve to be sued 100 times over. Class action + _+ _+.

  13. And…. they took the word ‘Honest’ out from ‘… honest desire to get sober’ to accommodate the criminals who were sent from the courts – because they knew such a person would not have an honest desire to get sober because they were being court ordered to do so.

    Think about it for a sec…. court ordered to stop drinking alcohol. Hmmmmm I wonder if the liquor stores could sue the govt for ordering someone to not buy their legally sold product???!!!!!



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